Top five most powerful Star Wars film characters

Originally posted by Dominis
Easily restraining Ben and Rey, and choosing not to kill them, when in fact he could have, to instead drain them to restore his own power, isn't a showing of Palps superiority over them?

Originally posted by The_Tempest
I typically don't engage in numerical ranking, but the Emperor is by far the most powerful Force user in canon outside (perhaps) the Mortis Anchorites, based on feats and accolades alike.

That said, I'd say it's pretty clear that Rey comes in second. With past Jedi bolstering her power and armed with two lightsabers, she was able to stand toe-to-toe against the Emperor.

I can't give her the nod over him because the novel makes clear what we see in the movie: her lightsabers protected her from the lightning arcs. All she did was close the gap between her and Sheev; the stray arcs of the lightning were then close enough to seriously injure him.

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Specifically, note the :40 second mark. She's moved closer, and one of the random arcs hits him in the face. Then by :44 he's dropped his hands, no longer casting the lightning.

So with his lightning no longer keeping her at bay, she fires his own energies back in his face with fatal effect, just like the novel describes.

Still, despite these advantages: a literal powerup from all the Jedi who came before as well as two lightsabers, the effort still kills her.

Yeah.

Also, the novel also makes it clear that she would have died if not for the jedi lending their power, right.

Originally posted by Dominis
Yeah.

Also, the novel also makes it clear that she would have died if not for the jedi lending their power, right.

What's interesting too is "But she chose to be their conduit. Their vessel." and "A well of power from which to draw" and "the Force will be with you. Always." and "full of strength freely given" etc.

It certainly seems like it's not "temporary" in the sense that she can access this power whenever she wants; it's there when she needs it. But equally, without the small vestige of Force energy Ren offered her, she would have died - it took everything she had, even with all that power, just to reflect Sidious' own power back at him and defeat him, dying in the process.

It goes to show how much of a difference this Jedi power makes. It's crazy.

Just looking back at these clips for the first time in months, I forgot how effortlessly and casually Sidious stomped Kylo and Rey. And that was when he was in a destroyed clone body that made him weaker than his Return of the Jedi self for crying out loud.

So for Rey to then go ahead and hold her own against Dyad-buffed Sidious by herself shows a gargantuan improvement over the course of the film. I mean, she was losing to frigging to Kylo at one point, and we already know he is nothing to the Emperor.

Originally posted by Dominis
Yeah.

Also, the novel also makes it clear that she would have died if not for the jedi lending their power, right.

She cites the Jedi who came before her as one of the reasons she was able to merely "survive" and "resist" the Emperor:

Originally posted by BestDebaterEver
What's interesting too is [b]"But she chose to be their conduit. Their vessel." and "A well of power from which to draw" and "the Force will be with you. Always." and "full of strength freely given" etc.

It certainly seems like it's not "temporary" in the sense that she can access this power whenever she wants; it's there when she needs it. But equally, without the small vestige of Force energy Ren offered her, she would have died - it took everything she had, even with all that power, just to reflect Sidious' own power back at him and defeat him, dying in the process. [/B]

Exactly, yeah. That's the generosity she mentions above. Their "generosity" was demonstrated with the strength "freely given" to Rey by them in the final confrontation.

Originally posted by BestDebaterEver
What's interesting too is [b]"But she chose to be their conduit. Their vessel." and "A well of power from which to draw" and "the Force will be with you. Always." and "full of strength freely given" etc.

It certainly seems like it's not "temporary" in the sense that she can access this power whenever she wants; it's there when she needs it. But equally, without the small vestige of Force energy Ren offered her, she would have died - it took everything she had, even with all that power, just to reflect Sidious' own power back at him and defeat him, dying in the process. [/B]

Originally posted by BestDebaterEver
It goes to show how much of a difference this Jedi power makes. It's crazy.

Just looking back at these clips for the first time in months, I forgot how effortlessly and casually Sidious stomped Kylo and Rey. And that was when he was in a destroyed clone body that made him weaker than his Return of the Jedi self for crying out loud.

So for Rey to then go ahead and hold her own against Dyad-buffed Sidious by herself shows a gargantuan improvement over the course of the film. I mean, she was losing to frigging to Kylo at one point, and we already know he is nothing to the Emperor.

TROS is a hot goddamn mess, but so much shit happens that it's easy to forget some of the crucial bits.

It's weird how there was no epic battle between the Emperor and Reylo. They just stomp his henchmen and he ragdolls them while still dangling from a mechanical arm lol.

It's also ironic that the Emperor accidentally discovering that they were a dyad is what ultimately saved their lives. "Stand together, die together!"

His goal was to just murder them outright and he accidentally got a jolt of their sweet dyad juice.

We even see it in the movie: they're both on their knees before him, squirming, "helpless against his power" per the novelization, while he's distractedly monologuing about this new discovery.

So you believe despite wanting to kill them both later after he steals power he fails because...

I need a reason why someone of his intelligence failed in both instances if he so easily could iyo.

Originally posted by Dominis
I guess the logic in this thread is that a crippled Sheev is more powerful than a fully restored one.

Lmao wow!

iirc he was fully restored when he did that ridiculous stupid "are you f*cking kidding me? REALLY?" force lighting stunt

Originally posted by The_Tempest
She cites the Jedi who came before her as one of the reasons she was able to merely "survive" and "resist" the Emperor:

Exactly, yeah. That's the generosity she mentions above. Their "generosity" was demonstrated with the strength "freely given" to Rey by them in the final confrontation.

I guess the novel is good for something: pointing out what's clearly portrayed on screen lol.

Still haven't read it.

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
iirc he was fully restored when he did that ridiculous stupid "are you f*cking kidding me? REALLY?" force lighting stunt

Yes, he was fully restored then.

I think Dominis is referring to the fact that a weakened Sidious, dangling from a mechanical arm, ragdolled and curbstomped Ben and Rey at the same time:

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The canon ROS book says they are both helpless against his power.

Originally posted by Dominis
I guess the novel is good for something: pointing out what's clearly portrayed on screen lol.

Still haven't read it.

Yeah, that's about all it's good for. The novel is pretty shit otherwise, written by a mediocre YA author.

Originally posted by Dominis
I guess the novel is good for something: pointing out what's clearly portrayed on screen lol.

Still haven't read it.

Glad we agree. She needed the inspiration and support from her friends to muster the strength to fight off the unnatural Sith who placed power above all else. Hero triumphs over villain despite the grimness of the situation. Tale as old as time.

Reminds me of Harry Potter in OttP when Harry seeks the strength and support of his friends as Voldemort possesses him. It was not a mega amp to repel him just the power of friendship and support elevating your willpower to overcome a dire situation.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
TROS is a hot goddamn mess, but so much shit happens that it's easy to forget some of the crucial bits.

It's weird how there was no epic battle between the Emperor and Reylo. They just stomp his henchmen and he ragdolls them while still dangling from a mechanical arm lol.

It's also ironic that the Emperor accidentally discovering that they were a dyad is what ultimately saved their lives. "Stand together, die together!"

His goal was to just murder them outright and he accidentally got a jolt of their sweet dyad juice.

We even see it in the movie: they're both on their knees before him, squirming, "helpless against his power" per the novelization, while he's distractedly monologuing about this new discovery.

While we're on the topic, do you remember what the novel says about Kylo when Sidious tosses him off the cliff like a lil *****? I think surviving that fall is just about the only useful thing he did in the whole movie.

Originally posted by BestDebaterEver
Reylo were dead to rights, yeah.

While we're on the topic, do you remember what the novel says about Kylo when Sidious tosses him off the cliff like a lil *****? I think surviving that fall is just about the only useful thing he did in the whole movie.

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, as she received no external power ups. It is not how the Jedi work. Sith use unnatural means the Jedi do not. She was not alone but her strength was innate in her.

No, he was not helpless. He was outnumbered and weaponless. Once he acquired a weapon he dominated them. Sidious it seems is just fl from rotj even until now. Kinda pathetic tbh. Rey walked him back and dominated an amped Palpatine. Ren soundly dominated her on the ship. Kylo Ren is at the top of the mountain. Rey is number 2.

That's ridiculous. It would mean that Rey is more powerful than a version Sidious that can take out an entire fleet with his lightning. Stop drinking whatever your drinking.

Yes, he was helpless. They were beating his ass. Killing a bunch of jobbers with a lightsaber is not a good feat, especially considering the KoR's weapons weren't even lightsaber resistant. That same Palpatine casually threw Ren down a pit. As for Rey, she beat Kylo in TFA, TLJ and TROS. She's 3:0 against that ugly dork.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Yes, he was fully restored then.

I think Dominis is referring to the fact that a weakened Sidious, dangling from a mechanical arm, ragdolled and curbstomped Ben and Rey at the same time:

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The canon ROS book says they are both helpless against his power.

Yeah, that's about all it's good for. The novel is pretty shit otherwise, written by a mediocre YA author.

my God, the novel just makes it worse. I wish quan was right and there was indeed some sort of sith-gauntlet powerup. similar dilemma as with that hyperspeed-khamikazi attack in TLJ, when we were all like "gee why didn't they just send some droid to pilot a frigate and ram the deathstar in eps 4 and 6?" now I'm like "gee why didn't palp just fly in at the end of every episode and just throw everyone around and murder them with force-lightning

Originally posted by BestDebaterEver
Reylo were dead to rights, yeah.

While we're on the topic, do you remember what the novel says about Kylo when Sidious tosses him off the cliff like a lil *****? I think surviving that fall is just about the only useful thing he did in the whole movie.

It's funny you mention that actually. ermm

This is the passage in its entirety. The only things the author seems to care to point here is that the Emperor is totally unimpressed with Ren, discards him with a thought, and then forgets about him entirely the next second. haermm

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
iirc he was fully restored when he did that ridiculous stupid "are you f*cking kidding me? REALLY?" force lighting stunt

Yeah, I know. I was just following the logic used by Quanchi.

The fact that she was helpless against a weakened Sidious, yet was able to access enough power to defeat a fully restored Emperor, means she was wielding power that she hadn't before. Whether he wants to accept the canon explanation that she was empowered by all the jedi in favor of his interpretation that it was her own innate power, either way, it's still power she was unable to access before that point, including when she fought Ren.

Originally posted by Psychotron
That's ridiculous. It would mean that Rey is more powerful than a version Sidious that can take out an entire fleet with his lightning. Stop drinking whatever your drinking.

Yes, he was helpless. They were beating his ass. Killing a bunch of jobbers with a lightsaber is not a good feat, especially considering the KoR's weapons weren't even lightsaber resistant. That same Palpatine casually threw Ren down a pit. As for Rey, she beat Kylo in TFA, TLJ and TROS. She's 3:0 against that ugly dork.

They were elite warriors not the fools vader killed in Rogue One. Those guys were screaming and flailing their arms who accomplished their mission of getting the disk out of there.

You lack context. Ren defeated her twice in TFA. He was spiritually unbalanced as well as wounded from the bowcaster and a lightsaber.

TLJ Ren looked superior against the praetorian guard. What are you talking about?

In the final film Ren dominates her. She is on her back helpless when Ren feels his mother pass then lets go of his saber. He crushed her. You really lack the facts and the intelligence left to really even have a debate with.