Top five most powerful Star Wars film characters

Originally posted by BestDebaterEver
If Rey is "all the Jedi" does that mean she was channeling the power of 10k+ Jedi, not even counting those from bygone eras?

And perhaps even future Jedi, assuming that time itself is a byproduct of the Force?

Pretty wild.

All means all, so I'd say so. At least all past Jedi.

Which is interesting because even if the movie presented evidence that Sidious is empowered by previous Sith (and remember: it doesn't, and there's no evidence in any of the movies that any Sith other than Sidious can transcend death), it's funny to think that Rey's amp still has a tremendous numerical advantage over Sheev's hypothetical Sith amp.

Remember: for a thousand years, there were only two Sith at any given time whereas there were tens of thousands of Jedi at any given time. ermm

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
imho, it kinda opens pandora's box in terms of off-screen evidence. all hell might break loose. people citing comic books and cartoons and vintage breakfast cereal boxes as evidence. dogs and cats living together. mass hysteria!

He's just using the novel to point out what the movie was clearly meant to portray.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Movie-wise, he's definitely number one.

In fact, if we're discarding the corroboration by the novelization, it actually makes the case for Sidious stronger since he says the dyad will "restore the one true Emperor," [b]not "empower the one true Emperor." 😖 [/B]

yup. all evidence points to restoration, not amplification. going to need tangible conflicting evidence to sway me from agreement.

like i said, i wish quan was was right. that would have at least resolved the "why didn't palp just do this from the start?" dilemma

Originally posted by Dominis
He's just using the novel to point out what the movie was clearly meant to portray.

Yup.

YouTube video

This clip shows Sidious use the Force to manhandle Rey and Ben even as his rotten ass hangs from a gib.

Even while he monologues about the dyad, not even paying attention to them, looking at his own hands... the camera cuts back to them and they're trapped in a Force stasis field, unable to move. mmm

Originally posted by The_Tempest
All means all, so I'd say so. At least all past Jedi.

Which is interesting because even if the movie presented evidence that Sidious is empowered by previous Sith (and remember: it doesn't, and there's no evidence in any of the movies that any Sith other than Sidious can transcend death), it's funny to think that Rey's amp still has a tremendous numerical advantage over Sheev's hypothetical Sith amp.

Remember: for a thousand years, there were only two Sith at any given time whereas there were tens of thousands of Jedi at any given time.

TBF, with the assbeating Sheev put on her and Ben, I'd say that's a good number to even up the odds. Maybe if it was only 50,000 Jedi spirits she would have lost. 😂

Originally posted by Dominis
He's just using the novel to point out what the movie was clearly meant to portray.

a film novelization is an adaptation based on the film. just like whatever comic books and cartoons serve as satellites to a particular canon

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Presumably you're right, Galan. Because now that I think about it, if she were resurrected with the amp, wouldn't she have been able to resurrect Ben?

So I guess that would depend if the power of all the Jedi bolstered Rey's life force as well(and I suppose it may have, given that prior to the amp she was already near-death and could barely even stand/breathe on her own.) So IF Rey still possessed all of that extra Jedi power when Ben resurrected her, she should have conceivably been able to then resurrect him without dying herself.

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
yup. all evidence points to restoration, not amplification. going to need tangible conflicting evidence to sway me from agreement.

like i said, i wish quan was was right. that would have at least resolved the "why didn't palp just do this from the start?" dilemma

Sadly, Star Wars has rarely ever employed the logic of internal consistency, even before the Disney buyout. Jedi and Sith conveniently forgot about their powers all the time when the plot demanded it for the sake of drama.

Originally posted by BestDebaterEver
So we're looking at 100,000+ Jedi spirits lending their strength to Rey.

TBF, with the assbeating Sheev put on her and Ben, I'd say that's a good number to even up the odds. Maybe if it was only 50,000 Jedi spirits she would have lost. 😂

Jesus Christ. When you put a number on it, it makes Rey's amp look incredibly lopsided even if we grant without evidence a similar Sith amp for Sidious. A hundred thousand Jedi vs. perhaps less than 100 Sith? 😖

Originally posted by Galan007
As you know, healing/resurrecting in canon is all about the transference of life force. The more severe their injury, the more life force is required to to heal them. If they are dead, it requires all of your life force to bring them back: a life for a life.

So I guess that would depend if the power of all the Jedi bolstered Rey's life force as well(and I suppose it may have, given that prior to the amp she was already near-death and could barely even stand/breathe on her own.) So IF Rey still possessed all of that extra Jedi power when Ben resurrected her, she should have conceivably been able to then resurrect him without dying herself.

Great analysis and observation. I concur.

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
a film novelization is an adaptation based on the film. just like whatever comic books and cartoons serve as satellites to a particular canon

Ok, but he's just using the novel to confirm his interpretation of the scene is the right one. It's the way the movie was meant to be interpreted.

it's a weird thread to have this debate in, since the film alone puts palp at #1 in raw force power, but i'll entertain:

a novelization author is free to add details, to fill in the holes left behind by screenwriting. in doing so, novelizations tend to embellish film canon, adding evidence where none existed (and perhaps was never even conceived of before)...especially with star wars films (all of them)

Originally posted by quanchi112
It does not. It just shows she had the necessary equipment and power to summon the other to defeat him.

Palpatine stole power from them. Undeniable. He lost despite the clear external amp from the dyad.

Ren was unbalanced, injured. He just killed his father. Couple that with two injuries her connection the force and we see why it was possible given those circumstances.

Vader never bested any respectable force user. Not once. He is exaggerated due to nostalgia.

He was taking three at a time on she struggled with just one a few times. Watch the scene Ren faces more and looks far better but I doubt you even noticed. You do not seem capable of assessing the facts objectively.

You ignore the context so continue to live in a fantasy world of your own making.

Ren is at the top unamped list.

Power she got from the spirits, yes. Before that she couldn't resist Sidious even with Kylo there to help.

He overpowered them before he fed off their dyad, that's right. So how does it make sense that Rey could beat him later without an amp? It doesn't. She was amped by Luke, Yoda, Anakin, Ahsoka, Ben and others.

I don't care how injured he was. When Luke injured Vader in ESB Vader immediately shut him down by cutting his hand off. That's the difference between a real Sith Lord and ***** like Ren.

Nonsense. He beat Dooku, he slaughtered countless Jedi during Order 66. He beat Ben Kenobi, who three-shotted Darth Maul.

Yet, Rey didn't need to be saved in that scene while, Ren did. It was sad how hard he was struggling against non-Force users.

Prove it. Argument yourself and your position.

Ren is not at the top of anything. He has been completely dominated by Snoke and Sidious. Rey has shown better Force powers than him too.

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
it's a weird thread to have this debate in, since the film alone puts palp at #1 in raw force power, but i'll entertain:

a novelization author is free to add details, to fill in the holes left behind by screenwriting. in doing so, novelizations tend to embellish film canon, adding evidence where none existed (and perhaps was never even conceived of before)...especially with star wars films (all of them)

He's not using added details. Like, he's not bringing up feats or anything that wasn't shown in the film. He's merely confirming that his interpretation of the scene is the right one. If your interpretation is different then it goes against what the film was meant to portray.

Darth Revan could murder Kylo and Rey and Vader and Luke all at once.

So could the exile.

okay, let's back up and look at the big picture of star wars novel vs film.

here are the differences between ANH, and it's original novelization/adaptation (from wookiepedia):

During the battle aboard the Tantive IV, the stormtroopers drop through the ceiling, rather than charging through a door.

Before Leia Organa is captured, she kills two stormtroopers, instead of only one.

Before Grand Moff Tarkin and Darth Vader enter the conference room scene, there are eight Imperial Senators and officers around the table. In the film, there are only seven officers. During the scene, Vader uses the Force to summon a cup from the table to his hand.

Skywalker's X-34 landspeeder has an enclosed cockpit unlike the open cockpit seen in the film.

The hilt of Skywalker's lightsaber is described as having a jeweled hilt.

In the novel, Tarkin is present during Organa's torture. In the film, Organa does not encounter Tarkin until she is taken to the Death Star's Overbridge.

Chewbacca is described as having bright, yellow eyes.

In the cantina, Skywalker is haggled by a trio of individuals. Kenobi cuts a smaller alien in half and cuts off the arm of another. Ponda Baba is described as having multiple eyes.

Jabba is described as a fat biped with an ugly, shaggy skull and jowls. His scars are said to be a sign of his ferocious reputation in combat.

After the destruction of Alderaan, Vader reports that Alderaan had possessed defensive systems "as strong as that of the Empire."

In the novel, Obi-Wan does not feel Alderaan's destruction through the Force.

Stormtrooper TK-421 is identified as THX-1138.

The officer commanding the detention block is killed activating an alarm rather than drawing a blaster.

When the gang dives into the garbage chute, Han Solo dives in before Skywalker.

The garbage chamber's number is 366-17891 instead of 3263827.

During the Battle of Yavin, Skywalker, Biggs Darklighter, and Wedge Antilles are all in Blue Squadron; in the film, they are in Red Squadron. Skywalker also makes two attack runs through the Death Star trench. When Skywalker learns that Darklighter had been killed, his eyes begin to water and he reflects, "'We're a couple of shooting stars, Biggs' he whispered huskily, 'and we'll never be stopped.'

At the novel's end, Organa gives Chewbacca a medal.

There is a comic too where they say he didn't get a medal at the same time as Han cuz Leia couldn't reach him since he was too tall.

Not kidding.

Lol...what a dick move. Couldn't stand on a f*cking stool in front of people?

Why is Chewy depicted as a red bigfoot? Where is his face? I can sort of see a mouth. Where are his eyes?

Originally posted by Psychotron
Power she got from the spirits, yes. Before that she couldn't resist Sidious even with Kylo there to help.

He overpowered them before he fed off their dyad, that's right. So how does it make sense that Rey could beat him later without an amp? It doesn't. She was amped by Luke, Yoda, Anakin, Ahsoka, Ben and others.

I don't care how injured he was. When Luke injured Vader in ESB Vader immediately shut him down by cutting his hand off. That's the difference between a real Sith Lord and ***** like Ren.

Nonsense. He beat Dooku, he slaughtered countless Jedi during Order 66. He beat Ben Kenobi, who three-shotted Darth Maul.

Yet, Rey didn't need to be saved in that scene while, Ren did. It was sad how hard he was struggling against non-Force users.

Prove it. Argument yourself and your position.

Ren is not at the top of anything. He has been completely dominated by Snoke and Sidious. Rey has shown better Force powers than him too.

She beat him when she did. Ren knocked Rey out in TFA. Later he did not does this mean he could force push ko her at any moment in time. Slap yourself for being so stupid. To catch anyone with the force you need to catch them off guard.

Ren was shot by chewies weapon and was also grazed. Far worse than a shoulder graze alone. Ren also was weakened emotionally by killing his father.

In a clone wars episode one single droid had Anakin beaten but he needed a clone to save him. 😂

It was so laughable. I wish you could see it. Disney Says **** you Anakin one last time.

Ren took on more thus it made sense. Ren is her superior. She struggled with one he was taking on 3. 3>1. If you cannot grasp the easy to He too o methanols she did hence why I was harder just log out.

Ben survived the fall. Ren never faced Palpatine. Lucky for him wait he still died to Rey who Ren dominated.

😂

Originally posted by Surtur

Lol...what a dick move. Couldn't stand on a f*cking stool in front of people?

He got a medal on ROS too, they just hand it to him

Yeah that also was a b*tch move. Just randomly hand him it. Nobody saw him rewarded except some creepy alien thing. They seem to think this makes up for the snub.

It don't.