Originally posted by TheHulksterThe op very clearly stated using Thought Robot Superman, Which means Superman already in TRS and he has control over TRS so Adam and Ultraman both have no effect in this scenario 🙂
Well, in that instance, Earth 4 Allen Adam riding on Superman's back will even it up, though the addition of Ultraman screws it up again.
Originally posted by TheHulksterSo you admitting that Adam has no part in this scenario at all, Right?. And the TRS was channeling Superman's stories as his powers, Not Ultraman's.
Adam is not in the robot. And since Ultraman is in it, then he counts at least much as Owen as another participant.Owen is channeling power into Reed as he does with god Doom.
Originally posted by TheHulksterYou're changing the concept.
And Reed has control over the power Owen is channeling into him. Would you agree?
Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
You're changing the concept.
TRS is a machine that Directly being powered by SUPERMAN'S stories, The comic makes it very clear. And Reed needs Owen's help to do it. Unless you want to start arguing that Reed has the powers that belong to Owen?
Can you quote where this is being made clear? What I’m reading is that the robot was created from the concept of “story” and divine metals. It is ACTIVATED by the the energies released by the fusion of symmetries (achieved by the fusion of Superman and Ultraman). Those energies broadcast Superman’s essence to a receiver in a higher dimension, which allows him to awaken and control it.
Is that not accurate? Is not Ultraman’s contribution to the said energy necessary for Superman to control the robot?
Also, are you saying that god Doom is not an amped version of Doom?
A subject I have never broached until two and a half hours ago is a quest? And whether it is a version of Superman or not is not what is been discussed. What is being discussed is what makes it more legit than Beyonders powered Reed. I was just looking at a former Avenger who meets this thread's standards and would even the numbers if so wished
@Hulkster
We've already discussed that long ago
Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
😆 What? The comic stated on panel clearly only Superman( His essence) could save them, And during his battle with mandrakk it was blatanly stated It was Superman stories could beat mandrakk and it was superman who controlling the thought robot all the time
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Originally posted by Galan007
To clarify...Superman and Ultraman were dualities: comprised of normal matter/good, and anti-matter/bad.
Thought-Robot could only be activated by the tremendous energies unleashed during collisions of fundamental opposing qualities:
https://i.imgur.com/FsHrHjh.jpgSo Allen merged the essences of Superman and Ultraman(ie. matter and anti-matter), and used the resulting energy to activate Thought-Robot:
https://i.imgur.com/5LRkLT9.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/L3YM0c3.jpgBut make no mistake: once activated, Thought-Robot was exclusively channeling the the idea/story/concept of SUPERMAN(ie. the most powerful story in DC.) Hence Allen's final line: "Only Superman can save us now."
Originally posted by Galan007
It required the energy generated by merging the opposing essences/dualities of Superman(normal matter) and Ultraman(anti-matter) to activate/start Thought-Robot, yes.But once activated, Thought-Robot was exclusively channeling the story/concept/idea of Superman alone(as noted by both Allen and Zillo Valla.) It was also Superman himself speaking through Thought-Robot, and Thought-Robot itself was obviously modeled in Superman's image from the very beginning:
https://i.imgur.com/H8LUjZA.jpgSo if you guys are talking about the ability to simply activate Thought-Robot, then no, Superman cannot do it alone. However, without the 'all-powerful' story of Superman to fuel it once activated, Thought-Robot would have been entirely useless. The hyper-tech was quite literally made for him.
Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
@Hulkster
We've already discussed that long agoMake no mistake, it was His(Superman) essence that being powered TRS all the time
"enough energy in my hands to broadcast HIS PURE ESSENCE to a receiver in a higher dimension"
"only SUPERMAN can save us"
"I found a better STORY.........The story of a child rocketed to earth from a doomed planet"
But once activated, It belongs to Superman
Just to clarify, I was not involved in any of those previous discussions. With regard to your points:
NO WHERE in any of your scans, nor anywhere in the story is any reference made to anything “powering” the robot.
“enough energy in my hands to broadcast HIS PURE ESSENCE to a receiver in a higher dimension”.
Where is any reference to anything being “powered”? His essence is broadcasted to a higher dimension, which I believe common sense dictates to be that which enables him to control the robot. Nothing stated nor implied about “powering” anything.
”only Superman can save us”
This is another statement that in no way alludes to anything “powering” anything else. It is made after the statement of Superman’s essence being broadcasted to a higher dimension. Clearly, once this action takes place, it falls exclusively on Superman to save the day since it is his essence, and his essence only, that has been broadcasted. There is no direct suggestion that this could not be achieved with another character with a duality. It can be argued that the fact that the robot appears identical to Superman hints at this, but nothing is confirmed. Either way, being the only being that can control the robot has nothing to do with anything “powering” the robot.
”I found a better STORY……..The story of a child rocketed to earth from a doomed planet”
This statement is made in conjunction with Zillo Valla telling Mandrakk that he is using them to believe him into existence. She is directly responding to that with a “BUT”; that being that there is something better to believe it. A better story to believe in. Nothing to do with “powering” the robot.
The robot is created from the concept of story. The image shows several heroes including Superman. That shows that it is not just his story, but “story” in general. That is what the robot is created from. “Lives, Deaths, Heroes, Villains, Lovers…. Stories!”
Nothing powers it. Something activates it and what activates it has been made clear: Duality/Symmetry. All this other stuff is imaginative extrapolation.
Originally posted by carver9
Wait, Ultraman also had play as well. What is being said here?
Ultraman influences the fight.
