Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Mandrakk says TRS was Superman in the comic. And clearly in this thread we're using this specific comic 🙂
Except everybody whose read the entire arc KNOWS that Its 3 different people who were in the armor, NOT just Clark.
Parallel world versions of a character do not go in composite. For instance, AoA (though it's more alternate timeline than parallel reality) AoA Logan isn't part of composite. Neither is gold clawed Logan with the mutton chops.
It's not Superman. It's a machine he controlled. Period. All the logic bending in the world doesn't change that. The book calls it an it and a robot. DC defines it as an object, not character. None of your fan logic changes any of that. Like these are two hard, indisputable facts. DC says it's an object.
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvilBut almost every character in this story referring it as Superman for the reasons that I already addressed which is reasonable. It was an object no one denied that, But an object that Superman was in control and powered it
Except everybody whose read the entire arc KNOWS that Its 3 different people who were in the armor, NOT just Clark.
Parallel world versions of a character do not go in composite. For instance, AoA (though it's more alternate timeline than parallel reality) AoA Logan isn't part of composite. Neither is gold clawed Logan with the mutton chops.It's not Superman. It's a machine he controlled. Period. All the logic bending in the world doesn't change that. The book calls it an it and a robot. DC defines it as an object, not character. None of your fan logic changes any of that. Like these are two hard, indisputable facts. DC says it's an object.
Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
But almost every character in this story referring it as Superman for the reasons that I already addressed which is reasonable. It was an object no one denied that, But an object that Superman was in control and powered it
And the OP also said TRS which means its working and being operated by Superman.
Both the OP and the comic didn't give a shit to your opinions(actually,biases). So the same words for you:Keep that head canon to yourself kid who can't grow up to be an adult🙂
Except It used duality. Opposing opposites. Not once did it say it needed supes power specifically. Not. Once. It was powered by duality so technically had Black Adam been there with Shazam, they too could have powered it. it's the concept of opposed forces that power TR, NOT KRYPTONIANS. So no, its not an "incarnation" for Supes, and never will be. YOU keep that head canon to yourself 😂
Originally posted by -Pr-
The story thing can be quite convoluted, but Morrison himself has taken the idea that all superhero stories stem from Superman as a literal construct. Story in DC exists because of Superman's story, so in essence, Superman is the engine powering it all.This is something Morrison has stated himself.
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Except It used duality. Opposing opposites. Not once did it say it needed supes power specifically. Not. Once. It was powered by duality so technically had Black Adam been there with Shazam, they too could have powered it. it's the concept of opposed forces that power TR, NOT KRYPTONIANS. So no, its not an "incarnation" for Supes, and never will be. YOU keep that head canon to yourself 😂
Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
@Hulkster
The thought robot is a body of pure thought.And the thought itself is the very essence of Superman - the unbeatable defender from the most powerful story in its very idea/thought form
https://ibb.co/4Y2H2kF
https://ibb.co/NgvYJYN
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And that is why he could fight Mandrakk himself(A hyper-story consumer)
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That's why "Only Superman can save us". The thought robot is Superman - his story in its purest essence.
Even Grant Morrison, The writer of this story said Mandrakk and TRS are two concepts that are oppsite with each otherThat was.....So blatant and clear in this comic?
Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Lol what?So again
What story do you think she was talking about?
https://ibb.co/tp0pQpG
Also like I and many others said before. The OP using TRS and since TRS only appeared in this story which was operated by Superman. So we treat it as a version of Superman.
except we don't. its not just superman, its neg universe Ulltraman and the power source is universe 4 quantum superman. so No It's not a incarnation of Clark himself.
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvilBut it was controlled and powered by Clark and The OP specifically using this version 🙂
The TR exists independently of Clark. Its not Clark, period.
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
TR is a device powered by the idea of duality of Ultra and Clark but is in no way actually Superman. Both Superman and Ultraman are expelled from the wrecked TR with no injuries because It's not them taking damage
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
even IF Superman was driving, it's still not him. He was piloting a robot. Period. DC itself designated TR as an OBJECT. DC doesn't consider it Superman.
Yeah. Again, on the very edge of the art and the edge of the mind of God there are these two big concepts fighting – Superman and Mandrakk, Predation and Protection, Greed and Preservation, Ugly and Beautiful, Youth and Age, Good and Evil, Black and White, Is and Isn't and all the others
Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
But it was controlled and powered by Clark and The OP specifically using this version 🙂No, It was powered by Superman's story
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https://ibb.co/NgvYJYN
The duality just the energies that need to activate as it stated on panel
"A thought robot activated by the tremendous energies unleashed during collisions of fundamental opposing qualitis"
https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Final-Crisis-Superman-Beyond/Issue-2?id=74549#9The comic said otherwise 🙂
"I hold the elixir, SUPERMAN"
https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Fi...e-2?id=74549#17
"Tell me, SUPERMAN"
https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Fi...e-2?id=74549#19
Even Grant Morrison himself referred it as Superman Trollberto
😂 Except DC. Says. It's. An. Object. By definition, that means it's not Superman, i.e. a being. Sit down. Takes a real fool to dispute the creators take on it's creation
Clark wasn't the one controlling it. Never once did he say, "I did this or that or he shrugged off my attack". He literally only describes his perception of the Bleed etc. Obviously cuz he's not a hero, they wouldn't give Ultraman any exposition, Clark also clearly refers to the fact that Ultra-Man is conscious and speaking
Clark got narrative cuz he's the hero of the book. That's simple comic abc.
So, nah, it's not allowed as a version of Supes, no amount of logic bending will change that, keep trying though, its hilarious 😂
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
😂 Except DC. Says. It's. An. Object. By definition, that means it's not Superman, i.e. a being. Sit down. Takes a real fool to dispute the creators take on it's creationClark wasn't the one controlling it. Never once did he say, "I did this or that or he shrugged off my attack". He literally only describes his perception of the Bleed etc. Obviously cuz he's not a hero, they wouldn't give Ultraman any exposition, Clark also clearly refers to the fact that Ultra-Man is conscious and speaking
Clark got narrative cuz he's the hero of the book. That's simple comic abc.
So, nah, it's not allowed as a version of Supes, no amount of logic bending will change that, keep trying though, its hilarious 😂
Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Yeah, Keep fooling yourself. The comic stated TRS is Superman and even the writer stated the same thing
Yes, Superman was in control. TRS even said this
"I need you....to protect MY WORLD.....MY UNIVERSE......The ELIXIR she promised..."
https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Final-Crisis-Superman-Beyond/Issue-2?id=74549#24
If Superman wasn't controlling TRS. Why TRS said he needs the monitors to protect his universe(Earth-0) or asks The ELIXIR that he needs to save Lois
Again, Feel Ultraman's consciousness =/ Superman wasn't in control.
😂 WRONG, Superman and Ultraman aren't interchangeable. They have completely different biologies, abilities, strengths, weaknesses and skill sets. Their existences are inimical to each other because they are from opposed realities. If they touch, everything dies. Ultraman is NOT alternate Superman.
Superman's absolute opposite. Which is actually the point of him being there. Because TR IS POWERED BY DUALITY, NOT Clark Kent. Do you understand what duality means?
As if more proof is needed (for those of you who needed a writer to confirm Supes isn't mUlTiVeRsAl 🥴😉 there's this. TR is literally described as a Sentinel Suit. Which, speaking broadly makes it exactly what I described it as: basically a type of mech. There is so much evidence on page that TR is an object, not a being. The Fan Force has you dudes really ****ed up:
AI is technically "living" but it's still a thing, not a being.
built object, incapable of action on it's own, hence having Clark and Ultra use it but ItS veRsIoN of SuPeS! Yeah no. It isn't. Never will be.