Ahsoka vs Kylo Ren

Ahsoka godstomps Kylo unless it’s a force round

Originally posted by Scizard
If Vader can't defeat Ahsoka through the force then Kylo can't either. Ahsoka gave Rebels Vader a tough fight.

Ahsoka wins.

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Kylo is in the same tier as Vader force-wise, and according to this quote he might be in sabers as well:

“Much like his grandfather and uncle before him, Kylo Ren possesses formidable lightsaber skills. He puts his talents in combat to use by annihilating Luke’s jedi students.”

This was from the TLJ VD too, a year before TROS when Kylo was far more powerful and more skilled in lightsaber combat as I proved in my Kylo Ren respect thread:

“There’s no light left in Kylo Ren, he’s only growing stronger”
-The Last Jedi

Snoke no longer senses conflict or weakness in Kylo, instead he senses resolve and strength:
"My worthy apprentice, heir apparent to Lord Vader. Where there was conflict I now sense resolve. Where there was weakness, strength. Complete your training and fulfill your destiny!"
-The Last Jedi

The Royal Guards that Rey fought in TROS were more formidable than the Praetorian Guards:
“Several figures stepped forward, draped in crimson, similar to Snoke’s guard, which she and Kylo had defeated together. Rey had a feeling these guards would prove more formidable adversaries.”
-The Rise of Skywalker Novelization
The fact that Rey was able to dispatch these guards more quickly and easily than the Praetorian Guards suggests that she and Kylo grew far more powerful in the year between TLJ and TROS. Kylo also casually subdued one with a gesture

Originally posted by Rockydonovang
TBF, that's probably a vastly pre-prime vader. And frankly, Kylo's padawan feats stack up to any of vader's. Even when we scale vader off of anakin, kylo's padawan showings put him miles above anyone vader scales over.

Which feats of padawan Kylo are you referring to? I can think only of his feat of colapsing the statues and that wouldn't put him miles above anyone Vader scales over.

Originally posted by Darthadi
Which feats of padawan Kylo are you referring to? I can think only of his feat of colapsing the statues and that wouldn't put him miles above anyone Vader scales over.

Kylo has some really impressive Force feats to be sure. The problem is that he pretty much never uses his overwhelming Force power in battles... Even when he should.

Look at his fights with the PG and KoR, for example. They damn near killed him, yet he barely even used the Force for whatever reason...

He was using to force against the KoR. Just not well...

Dude is a worse jobber than Maul.

Yeah, he did use TK against the KoR twice(once to knock one of them down, and later to push another one off the cliff), but he was still pretty much helpless against them without a saber, and was getting beaten to a pulp... Despite having more than enough power to own them all with the Force.

His fight with the PG was even worse. He was literally getting strangled to death, and never once attempted to use the Force offensively against them.

There was the odd force push against individual ones.

Once he had his Saber there was literally nothing impressive about cutting through opponents who cant block Sabers.

Originally posted by xPRIMEx
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Kylo is in the same tier as Vader force-wise, and according to this quote he might be in sabers as well:

“Much like his grandfather and uncle before him, Kylo Ren possesses formidable lightsaber skills. He puts his talents in combat to use by annihilating Luke’s jedi students.”

This was from the TLJ VD too, a year before TROS when Kylo was far more powerful and more skilled in lightsaber combat as I proved in my Kylo Ren respect thread:

“There’s no light left in Kylo Ren, he’s only growing stronger”
-The Last Jedi

Snoke no longer senses conflict or weakness in Kylo, instead he senses resolve and strength:
"My worthy apprentice, heir apparent to Lord Vader. Where there was conflict I now sense resolve. Where there was weakness, strength. Complete your training and fulfill your destiny!"
-The Last Jedi

The Royal Guards that Rey fought in TROS were more formidable than the Praetorian Guards:
“Several figures stepped forward, draped in crimson, similar to Snoke’s guard, which she and Kylo had defeated together. Rey had a feeling these guards would prove more formidable adversaries.”
-The Rise of Skywalker Novelization
The fact that Rey was able to dispatch these guards more quickly and easily than the Praetorian Guards suggests that she and Kylo grew far more powerful in the year between TLJ and TROS. Kylo also casually subdued one with a gesture

His opponents have Mostly been fodder. Most without Sabers.

Having formidable Saber skills is fine but doesnt put him close to Like or Vader. He left Luke as a Padawan and I doubt Snoke had any Saber skills to teach him.

The closest feat him and Rey have to Vader level is the Shuttle feat. More impressive for Rey as she blew it up with one shot. But we dont know how much that feat was enhanced by Dyad Force.

Originally posted by Galan007
Kylo has some really impressive Force feats to be sure. The problem is that he pretty much never uses his overwhelming Force power in battles... Even when he should.

Look at his fights with the PG and KoR, for example. They damn near killed him, yet he didn't even attempt to use the Force for whatever reason...

Dude is a worse jobber than Maul.

Originally posted by Rockydonovang
I mean do we have some sort of gauge for how powerful they are? It's possible collectively they're just too powerful for that.

The KoR aren't that powerful with the force. They are described as untrained and that they would have made decent inquisitor stock (aka they would be Inquisitor level if trained).

The PG aren't force sensitive.

The KoR have implied Inquisitor-level potential, but no training in the Force. So from that perspective, they would be considerably below the level of Inquisitors.

And the PG aren't even Force-sensitive... Or at least, they were never stated/implied to be. Force-raping them shouldn't have been an issue by any stretch.

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ares ninja'd me. sly

And plus they dont even have Sabers. Like wth?! They are basically fodder to a proper Jedi/Sith.

Tbf, their weaponry in RoS did seem to be holding up pretty well against Kylo's saber... But he still owned the lot of them easily(after Rey passed the saber to him, obv.)

Before that, they were beating the shit out of him.

The KOR were still force sensitive, so I guess I can see why Kylo couldn't just own them with the Force. But if he's getting scaled up to Vaders level he should have still been able to IMO.

His fight with the Guards is just bad though. No excuses for that one.

Hows he scaled up to Vaders level?

That's what xPrime was saying above.

Originally posted by Eli Vanto
The KOR were still force sensitive, so I guess I can see why Kylo couldn't just own them with the Force. But if he's getting scaled up to Vaders level he should have still been able to IMO.

His fight with the Guards is just bad though. No excuses for that one.

And I'd put those two no-name Inquisitors above any two members of the KoR, given that they were all former Jedi, AND had undergone training from Vader himself. So if Kylo's power scales anywhere near Vader's, he should have still been able to ragdoll at least a few of the KoR without an issue. But again, he rarely uses the Force in battle... Even when he should.

Yeah not much evidence of that.

Originally posted by ares834
The KoR aren't that powerful with the force. They are described as untrained and that they would have made decent inquisitor stock (aka they would be Inquisitor level if trained).

The PG aren't force sensitive.

2. If the PG's aren't force sensitive....
Well I can't really defend that, lmao.

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