Ahsoka vs Kylo Ren

Originally posted by Zenwolf
Being fair, TCW seemed more about storytelling than making Force Users really powerful. I mean apart from some very select scenes, I never got the impression that the Force Users were that far above Non-Force Users. So I don't think they are really bad showings.

I haven't said anything about Kylo.

Ok my bad I misread

Kylo is definitely underrated because of that fight with the Praetorian's unfortunately. Could he beat Ahsoka? I don't know, it's difficult to gauge his exact power level but he's probably around that level.

Originally posted by xPRIMEx
I don’t know what the reason is but what I’m saying is that by D Thor’s logic, Kylo should be able to dominate the PG’s as well.
Sometimes force users just have bad showings, for example Obi Wan and Anakin’s fight against those zyggerian guards that I linked earlier or Anakin’s fight with Hondo. Kylo’s is just more obvious because it’s in a movie.

This is all irrelevant anyways because it was pre prime Kylo and as we saw in TROS Kylo was able to dominate the KoR who outnumbered Kylo to a greater degree and are most likely superior to the PG’s.

I already explained about Maul, (on top of Garlans explanation)...

That it was always suspected Maul was holding back with the Force on Vizsla due to wanting to win over Death Wacth. He needed it to be seen as an honourable battle.

Now the Bo-Katan showing has pretty much confirmed that.

I also suggested that could have been pre-Prime for Maul, but thats neither here nor there given how ridiculously easily he handled Bo.

Kylos showing with the PGs was many years AFTER his showing of owning the Jedi. And he didnt exactly show himself to be Vader level against the KOR either.

Also who says those Jedi were > the PGs?

In any case theres clearly a consistency issue with Kylo.

^ FYI Mauls hardly perfect. We all know he can lose to padawans lol

Exactly, it was many years after his showing against the Jedi, and the Jedi were force users of course so why in the world would he not be able to do the same against non force users? I think we can just agree that it was a bad showing for Kylo due to PIS.

As for the KoR, he stomped them once he was armed. Why being unarmed and outnumbered doesn’t excuse his beating doesn’t make much sense to me.

Where would you rank ROS Kylo as an overall combatant?

^ Well im not sure ive seen much difference between TFA, TLJ and ROS Maul.

But I would guess overall around Maul/Ahsoka level. However he likely has more raw power at his disposal than either of those 2, but doubt that would give him the win.

So you don’t think he grew more powerful in the year between TFA/TLJ and ROS? I’m assuming that was a typo and you meant to say Kylo

Yeah typo.

Just saying I didnt SEE much difference. And its not like years passed between each film.

I actually noticed quite a difference on screen: not only is he leaping around and using the force more in combat, but even his emotions are more controlled. In TFA and TLJ he was definitely more emotional and “unbalanced”.

We know from Luke’s 3 year power growth between ESB and ROTJ that a lot can change in a short amount of time.

The thing with Kylo is that he has so few showings that all of them(even the ones people might think of as PIS) really need to be considered in order to determine how he typically fights.

He's not Vader, who has dozens of canon appearances that can be used to help gauge him.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Yeah typo.

Just saying I didnt SEE much difference. And its not like years passed between each film.

TFA, TLJ, and RoS all took place in the span of about 1 year. RoS Kylo was likely > TFA Kylo, but I don't see the difference between them as vast by any stretch.

I don’t know. I’m not saying he’s Vader, but when you compare his performance against the PG’s to his performance against the Knights, it seems pretty clear that he’s grown quite a bit

Sure, but we don't know how the PGs compare to the KoR as combatants.

There's also the fact that he was fighting the PGs as Kylo, and the KoR as Ben. The change in mindset could have made a difference as well.

“Several figures stepped forward, draped in crimson, similar to Snoke’s guard, which she and Kylo had defeated together. Rey had a feeling these guards would prove more formidable adversaries.“

Rey’s stomping of these guards that are superior to the PG’s scales Kylo. It also most likely means that the Knights are more formidable as well

Not sure how Rey would have any clue how skilled the Royal Guards were, just by seeing them surround her... But that's neither here nor there.

The KoR were unfortunately not scaled in such a way. We still don't know how they'd compare to the PGs or the RGs.

I agree that they should be a super-elite team, but again, there's just no way to accurately scale them.

Why would the author even mention that if the intent wasn’t to show character growth?

Kylo>Rey>RG’s>PG’s

I only say that the KOR would most likely be superior to the PG’s as well because it took about the same amount of time for Kylo and Rey to finish them off, but that’s just speculation

The PGs also seemed to have superior weapons to the KOR.

The Royal Guards were firing at Rey and she just redirected their fire back at them. And added the odd force attack on top. Kylo even took one out for her.

So we cant determine anything from that tbh.

The biggest indicator of a power boost was the shuttle grab Imo. But we have no clue how much their Dyad played into that.

The dyad only enhanced their powers when they worked together