Ahsoka vs Kylo Ren

She had a feeling these guards would prove more formidable. But Zens point is they didnt prove more formidable. At least not to her.

In any case, I believe the main issue with the PGs is that if Kylo is supposed to be some Force beast, then why doesnt he just own the PGs with the Force? Or the untrained KOR for that matter...

Why didn’t Maul just own Pre Vizsla with the force?

Anyways we see when he fights the KoR that when he does use the force in combat he stomps. Just cuz he wasn’t able to do so being unarmed and outnumbered 6 to 1 isn’t so bad.

Even thought the knights’ force powers aren’t fully trained, they’re still able to use it to a certain degree and are fully trained in combat, having trained with Kylo himself as the novel states.

Originally posted by xPRIMEx
Why didn’t Maul just own Pre Vizsla with the force?

Well he did own Bo-Katan with the Force immediately. Which suggests the Pre-Vizsla fight was mostly a farce.

But to be honest I didnt really see Maul as a Force beast until the last 4 episodes of Rebels. But he clearly still prefers Saber fighting. Thats at least what weve always known him for since TPM.

With Kylo however, hes always been seen as a Force beast due to the blaster freezing thing being one of the first things we saw from him. And if you want to suggest hes Vader level (which I believe is your claim), then his consistent showings sure dont display that.

I don’t think he’s quite Vader level, but he’s nearly there.

He’s more comparable to RoTS Anakin imo

^ Thats still ridiculously powerful. So Youll have to justify any low showings.

Well we’ve seen that Kylo is able to dominate with the force in combat against other force users years before his prime:
https://i.imgur.com/f39shRO.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/tm1BzRI.jpg

Originally posted by xPRIMEx
Why didn’t Maul just own Pre Vizsla with the force?

I don't think the Mandalorians would have considered it a legitimate victory and accepted Maul as their ruler, if he had just owned Vizsla with the Force from the onset(which could have easily been done with a simple Force choke.) The Mandalorians are a warrior race, so I think a battle for the 'throne' pretty much had to be direct combat.

^is that actually stated anywhere?

That's what the databank implies, imo:

"Maul challenged Vizsla to a duel -- Maul using his lightsaber, Vizsla wielding the ancient darksaber and his Mandalorian weapons. It was an intense battle, but ultimately, the Sith was too powerful. At the fight's finish, Maul beheaded Vizsla with one swift, merciless stroke."

It was always an assumption, but kinda confirmed after seeing what he did to Bo-Katan.

Edit- Unless he grew in power since then, which is certainly possible. But he just handled her so ridiculously casually, theres no reason to assume he couldnt have force owned Vizsla. But the point was to win over Death Watch.

So by your logic, if Kylo can so ridiculously casually handle 3 force users, he should be able to do so against the PG’s right? Therefore there must be some explanation as to why he didn’t, just like in Maul’s case.

But there is a probable explanation for Maul not using the Force against Vizsla.

There is absolutely no logical reason why Kylo didn't even attempt to use the Force against the PGs.

I guess you can say it was PIS.

I don’t know what the reason is but what I’m saying is that by D Thor’s logic, Kylo should be able to dominate the PG’s as well.
Sometimes force users just have bad showings, for example Obi Wan and Anakin’s fight against those zyggerian guards that I linked earlier or Anakin’s fight with Hondo. Kylo’s is just more obvious because it’s in a movie.

This is all irrelevant anyways because it was pre prime Kylo and as we saw in TROS Kylo was able to dominate the KoR who outnumbered Kylo to a greater degree and are most likely superior to the PG’s.

Originally posted by Darthadi
I guess you can say it was PIS.

Being fair, TCW seemed more about storytelling than making Force Users really powerful. I mean apart from some very select scenes, I never got the impression that the Force Users were that far above Non-Force Users. So I don't think they are really bad showings.

Oh it is definitely PIS. The PGs aren't even Force-sensitive... Kylo should have been able to snap all of their necks with a casual gesture.