Ahsoka vs Kylo Ren

Originally posted by xPRIMEx
Why would the author even mention that if the intent wasn’t to show character growth?

Kylo>Rey>RG’s>PG’s

I only say that the KOR would most likely be superior to the PG’s as well because it took about the same amount of time for Kylo and Rey to finish them off, but that’s just speculation

As mentioned, Rey mused that the RGs > PGs before she even fought them. How would she have possibly known how formidable they were without seeing them in action? The RGs weren't Force-sensitive, after all, so it's not like she was gauging them based on their presence in the Force or w/e.

Not necessarily saying they weren't superior to the PGs(we don't know either way), just saying that Rey's opinion before the fact doesn't really mean much, imo. If she had made that assertion after stomping them, it would be much more credible.

As for the KoR: we still don't know how they compare to the PGs/RGs as combatants... But like I said earlier, we also have to consider mindsets: even if the KoR ~/> the PGs, he was still fighting them as Ben Solo, not as Kylo Ren. Mental clarity can(and often does) have a huge impact on a Force-user's abilities.

I’m not going to get into the quote about the RG’s>PG’s any further since it seems like we’re just beating a dead horse there.

I’m glad you brought up mindset and how it can have an impact on a force users abilities though. I had pointed out a page or so back that throughout the whole movie Kylo was much less emotional and “unbalanced” than in the previous movies.

As to your point about Ben vs. Kylo, that could be true. It’s still the same person. When I refer to him as Kylo Ren I really just mean Ben/Kylo. I’m using all his feats.

I think Kylo was always conflicted, tbh.

In The Rise of Kylo Ren, he didn't even want to kill the 3 Jedi students -- they essentially forced his hand by bringing the fight to him multiple times. In TFA, the act of killing Han "split his spirit to the bone" and left him completely unbalanced. And in TLJ, Kylo still couldn't bring himself to kill his mother.

By RoS, he was definitely the least conflicted that we had seen him in any of the other films, which is why I think he was the most powerful version of Kylo... But he still had a soft spot for Leia, given that her final message/sacrifice(along with the random convo he had with Han) was enough to bring him back to the light.

But when he renounced the dark side and became "Ben Solo" again, he had no inner conflict or emotional turmoil weighing him down -- he was fully balanced. That's why I think end-of-film Ben was at his most powerful.

I agree 👆

Originally posted by xPRIMEx
The dyad only enhanced their powers when they worked together

Well thats definitely not true, because the Dyad is the whole explanation for how Rey can do Force stuff in TFA.

That happened when they’re minds first linked. After that the only time it enhances they’re powers is when they’re working together. Unless we get more information on how the dyad worked, that’s all we know for now.

How did she know how to do the Jedi mind trick, or use TK?

She had no training. The Dyad is the only explanation they ever gave for that.

Skywalker blood is still >> Palpatine blood. So the Dyad is the only possible way she could have been competing for the first two films.

Yeah, that happened when their minds first linked in TFA. His training became hers.

Originally posted by xPRIMEx
Yeah, that happened when their minds first linked in TFA. His training became hers.

Makes sense I guess.

Yeah I don’t have the exact quote but when she reads his mind in TFA their minds link and it says something like “it’s as if his training became her own”