Originally posted by Robtard
"Agents search home of 2 men charged with killing Ahmaud Arbery" -SnipI'd imagine if the McMichaels had something like illegal guns or white sheet hoods and gowns, they'd already have had friends remove items like that. Though it's uncertain what is being looked for, that aspect is sealed by the courts.
This is what I wanted to see.
I also want to see a search warrant issued and executed against all of Arbery's haunts.
They need to find stolen goods that Arbery is supposedly taking. If he stole that gun, that would definitely put the defense case in a much easier to defend position.
Originally posted by Bashar Teg
what's the probable cause for searching abery's home? his blackness?
If it meets the totality of circumstances* clause under a reasonable judge's determination, yes, you could get a probable cause search warrant to search Arbery's haunts for stolen contraband which would certainly make this case much easier in court for the McMichael's.
However, if the attorney's for Arbery's family caught wind of that, they'd be instructed to sanitize the residence and be coached how to speak if/when the warrant was served. Likely, they've already taken appropriate measures to sanitize after Arbery was killed and this case started to get traction.
*Affidavit + evidence could meet this criteria.
Originally posted by Bashar Teg
his blackness?
Perhaps the 3 minute video of him casing a home for burglary and the reports of robberies and calls to 911, of course. 🙂
No need to involve race. That's a bit racist.
the videos submitted by the property owner, where said property owner admitted that arbery never attempted theft? so arbery's home should be searched based on a baseless assumption of "casing the joint" and thus he was a suspect of any other crime in that zip code?
none of that will happen because it's ridiculously unlawful, but have a good wank m8 👆
Originally posted by Bashar Teg
the videos submitted by the property owner, where said property owner admitted that arbery never attempted theft?
You mean where said property owner said that $2,500 of fishing equipment was stolen and then said it wasn't?
Yes, that's one of them. 🙂
Originally posted by Bashar Teg
...so arbery's home should be searched...
Oh, absolutely it should. Probably for far more reasons than just the crimes in the neighborhood for that day.
So should any of his other "haunts" where he may have associates who help laundry or fence.
Originally posted by Bashar Teg
none of that will happen because it's ridiculously unlawful, but have a good wank m8 👆
I literally just referenced the US Constitution where this is definitely lawful. Probable Cause can definitely be established by having a video recording of a felony. If he searches through any of the stuff during those 3 minutes, that's a felony and probable cause to see what other stolen goods he might have.
The phone records would likely be subpoena'd already, as well: also could be used to establish probable cause if he fenced or dealt with stolen goods.
You do know how these things work? If you're 100% confident in Arbery being 100% clean, then you'd also not worry about the legal subpoena's for info and the subsequent warrants, and then the finding of nothing because the family lawyers would have already had them sanitize.
Thoughts?
Originally posted by dadudemon
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he can't be implicated in every local crime because of non-criminal trespassing on an unrelated property. it's not going to happen because "illegal search and seizure" has not yet been erased from the bill of rights. don't let that stop you from having another pointless wank, though.
Originally posted by dadudemon
You mean where said property owner said that $2,500 of fishing equipment was stolen and then said it wasn't?Yes, that's one of them. 🙂
Oh, absolutely it should. Probably for far more reasons than just the crimes in the neighborhood for that day.
So should any of his other "haunts" where he may have associates who help laundry or fence.
I literally just referenced the US Constitution where this is definitely lawful. Probable Cause can definitely be established by having a video recording of a felony. If he searches through any of the stuff during those 3 minutes, that's a felony and probable cause to see what other stolen goods he might have.
The phone records would likely be subpoena'd already, as well: also could be used to establish probable cause if he fenced or dealt with stolen goods.
You do know how these things work? If you're 100% confident in Arbery being 100% clean, then you'd also not worry about the legal subpoena's for info and the subsequent warrants, and then the finding of nothing because the family lawyers would have already had them sanitize.
Thoughts?
He wont be able to refute any of your points.
Originally posted by Bashar Teg
what's the probable cause for searching abery's home? his blackness?
Unless the police have Arbery listed as an official suspect, I don't think there's grounds for a judge to issue a search warrant. I'd imagine said judge would tread very carefully here too if Arbery isn't.
I'm not aware of Arbery being an official suspect. Could be wrong here.
Unless there's some law in GA where a murder victim's home can be searched?
Originally posted by Robtard
Unless there's some law in GA where a murder victim's home can be searched?
You mean the 4th amendment exception to investigate murders that means no warrant is used?
That doesn't apply in this scenario as Arbery didn't die in one of the multiple places he was known to be.
Or do you mean a warrant to recover stolen goods committed during a felony?
Or are you talking about the execution of a search warrant to recover stolen property which is literally what I've been talking about this entire time?
Yes, case law for that, too:
https://law.justia.com/cases/california/supreme-court/3d/25/67.html
Also, some stolen goods can be recovered decades later. Decades.
In this case, it is known that Arbery was casing the neighborhood, was very likely caught on camera committing a first degree burglary, and is a burglar.
A stolen gun by a convicted felon is certain a high-value target to execute a search warrant against especially since it directly involves a police investigation into a homicide. But don't worry: the lawyers handling this case are smarter than I am and are much more aware of the case laws than you and I. 🙂
Same thing I told PVS:
Watcha worried about, hmm? If there's nothing to find that would prove Arbery was burglarizing multiple businesses and residences, why worry so much about a search warrant?
Is it because Arbery's family has an interest to keep some things under-wraps?
Looks like other people can leak videos, too:
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what are YOU worried about? videos of him being harrassed by police do not prove he was convicted of any crime. there's another video of a cop trying (and failing) to tase him on a roadside stop with no probable cause, in which no charges were filed and the police were later disciplined.
where's the criminal record?
where's the proof that he was casing the joint?
where's the proof that McMichaels had prior knowledge of any recent local theft besides his own single and unrelated incident?
the rule of law matters, not your compulsive narrative wanking