Originally posted by Quincy
Folks defended Chauvin by assassinating the character of the deceased. Their contributions to many arguments around the BLM protests being that Floyd was perceived as a criminal and thus inherently deserved what he got.
Bingo.
They went right to the standard "Well he was no saint" tactics and then added some "Floyd actually died due to his poor health" antics as icing.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Floyd was a big dude, sure, but nobody's gonna convince me it was "necessary" to dogpile him (even though he was handcuffed) and choke him to death, ffs.Wtf.
Honestly, I've seen far too many people online say "but he was doing x illegal thing!" like that somehow justifies murder. It's weird.
Originally posted by -Pr-bro he used a counterfeit $20 bill and had drugs in his system. he also committed a crime 13 years before that. the only option was capital punishment, dealt out there and then. the world is safer now. all cops are good people and beautiful angels and for some reason whenever I see their jackboots my mouth starts salivating
Honestly, I've seen far too many people online say "but he was doing x illegal thing!" like that somehow justifies murder. It's weird.
Originally posted by Scribble
bro he used a counterfeit $20 bill and had drugs in his system. he also committed a crime 13 years before that. the only option was capital punishment, dealt out there and then. the world is safer now. all cops are good people and beautiful angels and for some reason whenever I see their jackboots my mouth starts salivating
Bingo! 👆
Originally posted by cdtm
Well, there will be Justice in a fair trial.No idea how they'll find an impartial jury though, pretty much the entire country has an opinion on this.
Does such a thing even exist anymore?
Originally posted by Scribble
bro he used a counterfeit $20 bill and had drugs in his system. he also committed a crime 13 years before that. the only option was capital punishment, dealt out there and then. the world is safer now. all cops are good people and beautiful angels and for some reason whenever I see their jackboots my mouth starts salivating
You know what? You're right. How could I be so blind?!
Originally posted by -Pr-It's almost like the people saying these things don't care about the murder they're just saying whatever it takes to ease their minds so their nice little world views don't get interrupted.
Honestly, I've seen far too many people online say "but he was doing x illegal thing!" like that somehow justifies murder. It's weird.
Cops are good guys the people they deal with are bad guys. If you do something illegal you have forfeited your rights and are scum.
And now we're dealing with generations upon generations that have been raised in this fake Ronald Reagan Patriot bullcrap.
Most cops ARE good guys though. If it wasn't so, we'd see a George Floyd murder every week, instead of once in a blue moon.
I feel for the majority good cops, precisely because their job is a hard one. Long hours, dangerous, thankless, relatively underpaid for what they do. Everyone wants them to keep them safe against the "bad guys", but never gives a thought to how hard it is to identify the bad from the regular. Especially in environments with higher rates of crime (Perhaps for systemic reasons, but an officer is not a social worker and can only do their jobs of responding to crimes already commited or in progress)
Originally posted by -Pr-
Honestly, I've seen far too many people online say "but he was doing x illegal thing!" like that somehow justifies murder. It's weird.
ALLEGEDLY using a counterfeit bill 😂 $20, to be exact.
Imagine if he actually did something, like, let's say... stole a chocolate bar from a candy shop --- Americans would probably call the military, including tanks and fighter planes.
Originally posted by cdtmMost "criminals" are non-violent offenders so that logic applies both ways.
Most cops ARE good guys though. If it wasn't so, we'd see a George Floyd murder every week, instead of once in a blue moon.I feel for the majority good cops, precisely because their job is a hard one. Long hours, dangerous, thankless, relatively underpaid for what they do. Everyone wants them to keep them safe against the "bad guys", but never gives a thought to how hard it is to identify the bad from the regular. Especially in environments with higher rates of crime (Perhaps for systemic reasons, but an officer is not a social worker and can only do their jobs of responding to crimes already commited or in progress)
Most people won't be able to tell bad cops from good cops until it is too late after all.
The truth is the problem is this, police generally hold the most power in these situations therefore they should hold the most accountability. They also shouldn't have to deal with every situation. So their funding should be split up so other organizations like social workers can help deal with the more non-violent problems. There also needs to be proper channels to making sure police officers' powers are being checked and to curtail abuse.
Originally posted by NewjakThey're a buncha ****in ped files PDFs that **** below their weight class and get what they deserve, pardon my French
Most "criminals" are non-violent offenders so that logic applies both ways.Most people won't be able to tell bad cops from good cops until it is too late after all.
The truth is the problem is this, police generally hold the most power in these situations therefore they should hold the most accountability. They also shouldn't have to deal with every situation. So their funding should be split up so other organizations like social workers can help deal with the more non-violent problems. There also needs to be proper channels to making sure police officers' powers are being checked and to curtail abuse.
Originally posted by Newjak
Most "criminals" are non-violent offenders so that logic applies both ways.Most people won't be able to tell bad cops from good cops until it is too late after all.
The truth is the problem is this, police generally hold the most power in these situations therefore they should hold the most accountability. They also shouldn't have to deal with every situation. So their funding should be split up so other organizations like social workers can help deal with the more non-violent problems. There also needs to be proper channels to making sure police officers' powers are being checked and to curtail abuse.
Kind of unfair to blame them for some of that. They'd probably be fired for not doing their duty if they just let a shoplifter or drug dealer go, because they weren't physically harming anyone.
The greater public would also start demanding better policing, if non-violent crimes were a problem. Fact is, most people don't want drug dealing on their corner, or their cars taken for joyrides by kids (My car was stolen twice, and a friend all the way up in Springfield Vermont had to work with police to drive out drug dealers who migrated from cities)
Originally posted by cdtmYeah but does that mean you want to accept a society where someone gets killed because they stole $4 dollars worth of goods?
Kind of unfair to blame them for some of that. They'd probably be fired for not doing their duty if they just let a shoplifter or drug dealer go, because they weren't physically harming anyone.The greater public would also start demanding better policing, if non-violent crimes were a problem. Fact is, most people don't want drug dealing on their corner, or their cars taken for joyrides by kids (My car was stolen twice, and a friend all the way up in Springfield Vermont had to work with police to drive out drug dealers who migrated from cities)
And this precludes idea that there aren't non-violent alternatives to solving these situations.
Also I don't think it's unfair at all. I understand cops are often put in situations they don't have the training to deal with but they also are the people with the most power in those situations.
The prosecution keeps bringing in experts who keep saying over and over that unnecessary force was used and that Floyd died because of it.
Yesterday they had a MN police officer state that while Chauvin was trained to administer first aid and it was his duty to do so to Floyd, he did not. It's almost like Chauvin wanted Floyd to die, or didn't care if he did.
Originally posted by Robtard
The prosecution keeps bringing in experts who keep saying over and over that unnecessary force was used and that Floyd died because of it.Yesterday they had a MN police officer state that while Chauvin was trained to administer first aid and it was his duty to do so to Floyd, he did not. It's almost like Chauvin wanted Floyd to die, or didn't care if he did.
They do.
Some of same expert witnesses also admit the initial response was appropriate because he was resisting, and feigning shortness of breath is a common tactic.
Defense will probably double down on attacking his character to sow doubt he was the sort to "fake it".
Originally posted by StiltmanFTWHe did use a counterfeit bill. His friend he was with tried to use a counterfeit bill before him and got refused. A store worker followed him into the car park and asked him to either give what he bought back or pay with a real bill. He refused several times , that’s why the cops were called.
ALLEGEDLY using a counterfeit bill 😂 $20, to be exact.Imagine if he actually did something, like, let's say... stole a chocolate bar from a candy shop --- Americans would probably call the military, including tanks and fighter planes.