Originally posted by ArtolIf you aren't old enough to drink, smoke, have sex, vote, have a job — then you aren't old enough to 'choose' your gender, no matter how bad your condition is. And I know how bad it can be.
I believe the same of your general stance, I think we as a society are still harming children with gender dysphoria, even if it has gotten better. But I am of course glad that you are happy with how your puberty developed.
Originally posted by Silent Master
Now that you agree that both are irreversible. why do you support one, but not the other?
Because of what I said in the post, that one is completely irreversible, while the other is in some aspects irreversible, and it's harms are often outweighed by the benefits.
Like I said, I can conceive of a situation where even an amputation is the right course of action, I just haven't heard of any case like that.
Originally posted by Silent MasterExactly. Those in favour of puberty blockers know there will be plenty of cases where it will backfire and cause harm to the child in the future, but they're fine with it because it fits in with their desire to artificially engineer society into what they see as 'ideal'.
Now that you agree that both are irreversible. why do you support one, but not the other?
Playing God, playing with human lives as experiments — it's symptomatic of a sick ideology.
Originally posted by Artol
Because of what I said in the post, that one is completely irreversible, while the other is in some aspects irreversible, and it's harms are often outweighed by the benefits.Like I said, I can conceive of a situation where even an amputation is the right course of action, I just haven't heard of any case like that.
So, what percentage are you claiming that effects of puberty blockers are reversible?
Originally posted by Silent Master
So, what percentage are you claiming that effects of puberty blockers are reversible?
I'm not sure that anyone can put a percentage on that, I certainly can't since I am not an expert in the field. I can only google some studies, and follow what I have heard and read from experts in the field.
But just out of curiosity, what do you think is the mechanism that makes all these parents and doctors and researchers suggest that it can be a good intervention for children suffering from gender dysphoria?
Originally posted by Artol
I'm not sure that anyone can put a percentage on that, I certainly can't since I am not an expert in the field. I can only google some studies, and follow what I have heard and read from experts in the field.But just out of curiosity, what do you think is the mechanism that makes all these parents and doctors and researchers suggest that it can be a good intervention for children suffering from gender dysphoria?
You're not sure? yet that is the basis of your argument for why it's ok and amputation isn't. I see.
People used to think that ingesting mercury was good for you, does that mean it was?
Originally posted by Scribble
If you aren't old enough to drink, smoke, have sex, vote, have a job — then you aren't old enough to 'choose' your gender, no matter how bad your condition is. And I know how bad it can be.
This should be common sense.
The wall of silence from media or authoritative figures on the topic makes it seem like there's consent on the subject. Personally, I think the silence is a result of "corporate and political" philosophy. Never anger your corporate partners, or your constituents.
If more people spoke out like J.K. in the public, we'd be having a national conversation about it. But people just aren't speaking, either way, because they can't be hassled to put themselves out there on something they don't feel so strongly about, that they'll put up with anyone's shit over it.
Originally posted by Silent Master
You're not sure? yet that is the basis of your argument for why it's ok and amputation isn't. I see.People used to think that ingesting mercury was good for you, does that mean it was?
I am wondering, what is your opinion of puberty blockers being used on children with early onset puberty?
Originally posted by cdtm
This [b]should be common sense.The wall of silence from media or authoritative figures on the topic makes it seem like there's consent on the subject. Personally, I think the silence is a result of "corporate and political" philosophy. Never anger your corporate partners, or your constituents.
If more people spoke out like J.K. in the public, we'd be having a national conversation about it. But people just aren't speaking, either way, because they can't be hassled to put themselves out there on something they don't feel so strongly about, that they'll put up with anyone's shit over it. [/B]
There is a very heated debate about trans related topics in multiple countries, including the US, the UK, Poland and Hungary, and many others.
Originally posted by cdtmI think it's coming. When women are sharing changing rooms with like eight hairy dudes who've legally changed their gender to female, then there'll be a conversation to be had.
Just from "Fox News" alt-righters. Not the general public at all.That just gives the pro child-trans side more credibility.
Originally posted by Artol
Does that mean you are ok with it for early onset puberty, because the method of diagnosis of physical disorders is different to those of mental disorders?
I can't speak for SM, but I have absolutely no faith in the field of mental health. They seem to pluck their ailments out of thin air, as far as I can see, and the credibility of their "sciences" is more politics then hard science.
The mental health industry is a sham to sell people more drugs.
Originally posted by Artol
Does that mean you are ok with it for early onset puberty, because the method of diagnosis of physical disorders is different to those of mental disorders?
Medical problems should be dealt with medically, psychological problems should be dealt with psychologically.
Why do you want medical solutions for psychological problems, rather than psychological?
Originally posted by cdtmFrom what I can tell in America, you are completely correct. Corrupt to the bones drug-peddlers, child abusers and brainwashers.
I can't speak for SM, but I have absolutely no faith in the field of mental health. They seem to pluck their ailments out of thin air, as far as I can see, and the credibility of their "sciences" is more politics then hard science.The mental health industry is a sham to sell people more drugs.
Originally posted by cdtm
I can't speak for SM, but I have absolutely no faith in the field of mental health. They seem to pluck their ailments out of thin air, as far as I can see, and the credibility of their "sciences" is more politics then hard science.The mental health industry is a sham to sell people more drugs.
Yeah, that is a big part in medicine both physical and mental, sadly. I don't really buy the idea that the topic of trans is one that's particularly fraught with it. Ultimately I think the question has to be what is best for the child, and I think in most cases both sides do want what is best for the child, they just have very different views of what that is.
Originally posted by Silent Master
Medical problems should be dealt with medically, psychological problems should be dealt with psychologically.Why do you want medical solutions for psychological problems, rather than psychological?
I don't buy your premise. A lot of psychological problems are dealt with physically.