Originally posted by ArtolFrom the way that the trans lobby is doubling down on their ever-shifting rhetoric — and them seeing that their outrage games are garnering them attention — then yes, I could easily see that happening.
You seem very passionate about that, but do you really think this is a likely outcome?
Originally posted by Scribble
From the way that the trans lobby is doubling down on their ever-shifting rhetoric — and them seeing that their outrage games are garnering them attention — then yes, I could easily see that happening.
Do you picture these "eight hairy dudes" to be genuine trans-women who fail to pass, or perhaps cis-men who want access to women's changing rooms, or some other situation?
Originally posted by ArtolPerhaps a mix; depends how far the current level of pressure gets the TRAs. Also, what constitutes a 'genuine transwoman'? I've met very few trans stans who can actually define what makes a transperson a transperson.
Do you picture these "eight hairy dudes" to be genuine trans-women who fail to pass, or perhaps cis-men who want access to women's changing rooms, or some other situation?
Originally posted by Silent Master
Those can be caused by chemical imbalances, IE they are medical conditions and thus require medical treatments.
Since 3 of the most common psychological problems don't count, what are the psychological problems you think should only be dealt with psychologically then?
This kind of thing will eventually become commonplace: https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/kristi-hanna-human-rights-complaint-transgender-woman-toronto-shelter
Originally posted by Scribble
Perhaps a mix; depends how far the current level of pressure gets the TRAs. Also, what constitutes a 'genuine transwoman'? I've met very few trans stans who can actually define what makes a transperson a transperson.
I meant it only in so far as they are genuine in their feeling that they are women or belong in the women's changing room and do not have ulterior motives for being there.
Do you think cis men pretending to be trans women and demanding access to women's spaces is a very common problem right now?
Originally posted by Artol
Since 3 of the most common psychological problems don't count, what are the psychological problems you think should only be dealt with psychologically then?
Those are psychological problems caused by underlying medical problems that can be tested for. If you can prove to me that GD fits into that category. I'll change my opinion.
Edit: Taking a nap, I've been up for over 30 hours. will respond further, after I wake up.
Originally posted by Scribble
This kind of thing will eventually become commonplace: https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/kristi-hanna-human-rights-complaint-transgender-woman-toronto-shelter
That seems like a very one sided story, I hope both the woman that complained and the trans woman are save and secure from whatever they needed the shelter from.
Originally posted by Silent Master
Those are psychological problems caused by underlying medical problems that can be tested for. If you can prove to me that GD fits into that category. I'll change my opinion.Edit: Taking a nap, I've been up for over 30 hours. will respond further, after I wake up.
As far as I am aware anxiety and depression are diagnosed the same way as gender dysphoria, by discussion with the patient and checking against a set of defining characteristics. I think that's probably why there are so many psychologists and doctors that consider things like puberty blockers and gender reassignment surgery as valid methods of treatment.
Originally posted by ArtolI don't think it is yet, because it isn't fully protected by law yet. If it became as easy as legally changing your gender, then I could see it happening.
I meant it only in so far as they are genuine in their feeling that they are women or belong in the women's changing room and do not have ulterior motives for being there.Do you think cis men pretending to be trans women and demanding access to women's spaces is a very common problem right now?
Either way, most sexual abuse is committed by men, and transwomen are men — even if they feel or believe they are women. A great many transwomen share feminine traits, but we've seen plenty of cases of seriously deranged 'trans' women such as the "It's ma'am" guy and 'Jessica' Yaniv; I do not think those kinds of people should be allowed in female spaces, and allowing them in due to ideology is dangerous and immensely irresponsible.
I think toilets, bathrooms, and sports should all be based on sex, not the postmodern mindgame of gender that was made up by John Money, a genuine child abuser.
Originally posted by Artol
As far as I am aware anxiety and depression are diagnosed the same way as gender dysphoria, by discussion with the patient and checking against a set of defining characteristics. I think that's probably why there are so many psychologists and doctors that consider things like puberty blockers and gender reassignment surgery as valid methods of treatment.
Haven't went to sleep yet so I'll go ahead and respond.
Assuming you're right, if they want to use psychotropic drugs to treat GD. fine. if they want to use non-psychotropic drugs. then show me the medical test that proves GD is a medical and not psychological condition.
Originally posted by Scribble
I don't think it is yet, because it isn't fully protected by law yet. If it became as easy as legally changing your gender, then I could see it happening.Either way, most sexual abuse is committed by men, and transwomen are men — even if they feel or believe they are women. A great many transwomen share feminine traits, but we've seen plenty of cases of seriously deranged 'trans' women such as the "It's ma'am" guy and 'Jessica' Yaniv; I do not think those kinds of people should be allowed in female spaces, and allowing them in due to ideology is dangerous and immensely irresponsible.
I think toilets, bathrooms, and sports should all be based on sex, not the postmodern mindgame of gender that was made up by John Money, a genuine child abuser.
I see, yeah I think we just fundamentally see this issue differently. I believe trans women are women regardless of their biology, which I am not privy to. I do think abusive and dangerous people should not be allowed into safe spaces, but I don't think it needs to be done in a manner to exclude all trans women for what I believe to be a very small minority. I think toilets and bathrooms should be based on gender, and sports should be based on a careful consideration of what classes to have while including as many people as is possible.
Originally posted by Surtur
I also don't think these are choices that one person should be making for someone else.Let the individual make the choice for themselves when they are adults.
I think that's the thinking behind puberty blockers. People think we take a smaller decision now to make it possible for the child to make a more full decision when they are an adult.
Originally posted by Scribble
I don't think it is yet, because it isn't fully protected by law yet. If it became as easy as legally changing your gender, then I could see it happening.Either way, most sexual abuse is committed by men, and transwomen are men — even if they feel or believe they are women. A great many transwomen share feminine traits, but we've seen plenty of cases of seriously deranged 'trans' women such as the "It's ma'am" guy and 'Jessica' Yaniv; I do not think those kinds of people should be allowed in female spaces, and allowing them in due to ideology is dangerous and immensely irresponsible.
I think toilets, bathrooms, and sports should all be based on sex, not the postmodern mindgame of gender that was made up by John Money, a genuine child abuser.
Sports is another area I think they lose most people. Transgender women should not be competing against real women.