Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
So true, this is why people hate on Logan, Hulk, Superman, Batman sometimes even Cap. All Superheroes are walking plot devices but these guys to quote Wolverine and Cap "are the best and always find a way", no matter how silly the plot has to be or how far above their weight they have to punch.
i feel like you're right, and I do agree with you... but only to a point.
For some heroes, "digging deep" or "getting that second wind" is a superpower that puts them beyond their peers. Even in similar situations. Sure, everyone from Catwoman to Jubilee can have their hero moment of rising to fight a new, more challenging enemy or circumstance, but the elites, to me at least, all have a mode that goes beyond that. Call it stubbornness. Call it "powering through". Call if whatever you want, but you can find multiple instances of it being taken to extremes with certain characters that it never would with others.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
He's haxx because in a pure physical slugfest where he gets to go first he can one shot. That's it. Or even if he doesn't go first, his HF will pull him through until he can one shot....but that still implies a physical slugfest.Put him up against Ambrose Chase, or Midnighter with doors, or any other high street/low meta with exotics, and he loses.
Hell just put him in a forum fight with Archangel. Or Angel with a gun and infinite ammo. No real range attacks (unlike Bats and Cap), no real travel feats, or speed feats....he's limited in his powerSET, but not his power LEVELS.
Same way Hulk is limited. That's why people generally argue against him, even with rookie GLs. Especially if that rookie GL is shown to be wilyto use force.
And here we have the problem, because I think a balance has to be struck between "well, what would realistically happen in a non PIS fight" and the fact that some characters seem to literally have "powering through shit because they're more stubborn than everyone else" as a superpower.
Logan, as haxx as he is, still has limits the Hulk doesn't when we start talking extremes imo.
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Thanks for breaking the page, Stilt.
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I've seen Magneto get underrated and overrated, with maybe a bit more of the latter. That said, the dude is a legit herald, and lives in a world where almost everyone he might fight tends to bring metal to a magnetism fight.
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Iceman is one people have wanked pretty hard. "Full potential" etc etc etc