Most overrated MU character?

Started by StiltmanFTW7 pages
Originally posted by -Pr-
Iceman is one people have wanked pretty hard. "Full potential" etc etc etc

Agreed.

Iceman always needs an outside factor unlocking his true potential.

Marvel seems very undecided on what to do with him.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Breaking it with what?

Any scans I posted are on the previous page and they didn't break the page.

One direct-link scan is cropped and the other is not full size; it's a thumbnail you need to click on in order to view it in full.

I've been using a widescreen monitor for a while now, so the page doesn't break for me as easily as it does for mortal peasants, though.

You know what, you're right. I'm so used to my browser only taking up half my screen that I didn't just go full width.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Agreed.

Iceman always needs an outside factor unlocking his true potential.

Marvel seems very undecided on what to do with him.

Well, with his powers anyway. We know what they did with the other stuff...

Originally posted by -Pr-
You know what, you're right. I'm so used to my browser only taking up half my screen that I didn't just go full width.

Ha.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Well, with his powers anyway. We know what they did with the other stuff...

Yeah, we know.

Apparently none of his romantic relationships really mattered. So he must have "faked" boners or something when with Lorna or Kitty or any other chick? Wtf?

Imho, it would be much easier to reveal he was a bisexual who secretly preferred the same sex.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Ha.

Yeah, we know.

Apparently none of his romantic relationships really mattered. So he must have "faked" boners or something when with Lorna or Kitty or any other chick? Wtf?

Imho, it would be much easier to reveal he was a bisexual who secretly preferred the same sex.

It would have. It would have even made sense. But we know how a lot of people feel about bisexuals.

- Maybe I'm bi.

- They say everybody is.

😂

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Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
- Maybe I'm bi.

- They say everybody is.

😂

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I had read that comic before. Twice. And still, I'm surprised by how shockingly bad it is.

Originally posted by -Pr-
I had read that comic before. Twice. And still, I'm surprised by how shockingly bad it is.

The later encounter between O5 and then-current Iceman wasn't handled much better, to be honest.

Btw, many believe that UXM #319 was the first hint at Bobby being gay:

https://www.tor.com/2015/04/23/iceman-gay-coming-out/

Of course, a little ambiguous scene like that shouldn't dismiss all the evidence to the contrary.

He was created to be basically the X-Men version of the Human Torch.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
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Yes, he has.

Especially when compared to someone like Vulcan; even a hater such as yourself should agree there.

I'm not a hater. Just not bought the hype for Magneto. And I do agree with the Vulcan part. Polaris can match Magneto feat for feat.

Stop sniffing so much cocaine from elephant's butt.

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Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
The later encounter between O5 and then-current Iceman wasn't handled much better, to be honest.

Btw, many believe that UXM #319 was the first hint at Bobby being gay:

https://www.tor.com/2015/04/23/iceman-gay-coming-out/

Of course, a little ambiguous scene like that shouldn't dismiss all the evidence to the contrary.

He was created to be basically the X-Men version of the Human Torch.

Funny enough, I read that same article a while back iirc. The parallels are there, sure, but there's a lot of reader interpretation going in to it too. Not that it's usually bad to do such things, but I think there's a difference between interpreting whether a character was trying really hard to kill someone in one scene, and something like their sexuality.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Apparently none of his romantic relationships really mattered. So he must have "faked" boners or something when with Lorna or Kitty or any other chick? Wtf?

Imho, it would be much easier to reveal he was a bisexual who secretly preferred the same sex.


Then he and Kitty could have come out together. Kitty is supposed to be bisexual herself, but I guess Marvel kinda scrapped that idea. She was going to end up with Rachel in the end.

It's hilarious she's one of the few from that era intended to be bisexual from the start, yet it seems like she's the only one they won't touch now. Lol. Weird ass logic.

Don't mind Kitty. She just likes sucking cake frosting off other women's fingers. She's 100% straight. 👆

Originally posted by -Pr-
I had read that comic before. Twice. And still, I'm surprised by how shockingly bad it is.

It also added to Teen Jean being a bit of a b1tch. The way she cornered Bobby like that and forced him to out himself was super messed up. Then Bendis just has them proceed like it's cool. Which is kinda the M.O. for her I guess. Violates everyone's privacy constantly, the X-Men offer a weak complaint, then wave it off. She acted so entitled to everyone's affection despite shitting on their trust constantly, even in that issue.

Bobby: Why everyone is so in love with you, I have no idea.

Teen Jean: Yeah. Because you're gay.

Like.....sure Bendis....it couldn't be Bobby just has a point and you wrote a Teen Jean who's a bit of an ass. Also, you totally understand the X-Men! dur

Originally posted by StyleTime
Then he and Kitty could have come out together. Kitty is supposed to be bisexual herself, but I guess Marvel kinda scrapped that idea. She was going to end up with Rachel in the end.

It's hilarious she's one of the few from that era intended to be bisexual from the start, yet it seems like she's the only one they won't touch now. Lol. Weird ass logic.

It also added to Teen Jean being a bit of a b1tch. The way she cornered Bobby like that and forced him to out himself was super messed up. Then Bendis just has them proceed like it's cool. Which is kinda the M.O. for her I guess. Violates everyone's privacy constantly, the X-Men offer a weak complaint, then wave it off. She acted so entitled to everyone's affection despite shitting on their trust constantly, even in that issue.

Bobby: Why everyone is so in love with you, I have no idea.

Teen Jean: Yeah. Because you're gay.

Like.....sure Bendis....it couldn't be Bobby just has a point and you wrote a Teen Jean who's a bit of an ass. Also, you totally understand the X-Men! dur

It's a common issue with comic books. You have a bunch of writers that just don't know how to write women, and even when some of them get written as being bitchy for whatever reason, nobody really calls them out on it.

It makes me wonder what kind of women these men spend their time around, or if there's some editorial mandate or something.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Funny enough, I read that same article a while back iirc.

Yeah, it's not anything new; it's just become really popular now after the Bendis run, so it keeps getting reposted and people write their own thoughts on the subject.

Originally posted by -Pr-
The parallels are there, sure, but there's a lot of reader interpretation going in to it too.

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It was very subtle and vague.

Smart writer could perhaps work with that old material --- but Bendis decided to go the "haha 100% gay" way.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Vulcan is shit-tier. All potential without reaching any of it.

are we forgetting war of kings? are we forgetting the black bolt's fight?

magneto wouldn't last a min against someone like black bolt or adam warlock

Bolt couldn't beat Mags even with critical hit cheapshots, lol.

Are we forgetting that?

vulcan survived the t-bomb that ripped open 23 light years long of space time

magneto and all his crew woulda get sent straight to mutants hell

Originally posted by MrMind
vulcan survived the t-bomb that ripped open 23 light years long of space time

magneto and all his crew woulda get sent straight to mutants hell

This hard-on you have for Vulcan is embarrassing

Originally posted by MrMind
vulcan survived the t-bomb that ripped open 23 light years long of space time

magneto and all his crew woulda get sent straight to mutants hell

Originally posted by MrMind
just because vulcan is a jobber, doesn't mean he wouldn't kick magneto's ass

he'd shut down magneto's power like that


Like he did against Polaris, amirite? It's like Marvel knew what would happen.

Yost: I'll have Polaris fight Vulcan on the--

Marvel: Negative. We're not done milking Vulcan yet. Can't have Lorna kill him there.

Yost: I guess Rachel and The Hodinn could fight, but crash through the ceiling and interrupt Polaris.

Marvel: 👆 Gotta get dat chedda!

If Vulcan is a good boy in this current run, Cannonball might give him some tips on fighting Gladiator. Dazzler won't brag too hard on how she one-shot Black Bolt. Cyclops, Havok and Jean won't scold him for being the first one in their group dead-to-rights against that Brood swarm. Xavier knows random X-Men upstage Vulcan all the time, but he keeps Gabriel around out of sympathy.