Most overrated MU character?

Originally posted by -Pr-
It's a common issue with comic books. You have a bunch of writers that just don't know how to write women, and even when some of them get written as being bitchy for whatever reason, nobody really calls them out on it.

It makes me wonder what kind of women these men spend their time around, or if there's some editorial mandate or something.

On the outing thing specifically, I feel like it's clumsy writing most times. Jennifer Takeda did the same to Julie Power. Later though, granted it started rough, Julie handled the same situation with Striker in a much healthier way.

Julie is one of our wholesome Power Pack kids though, so I guess she'll always be understanding. It's a shame the way she was treated when she dated Karolina Dean from the Runaways, who turned out to be emotionally distant and neglectful. And now Karolina is off being a phuckboi with Nico. Our little Julie deserved better. uhuh

Originally posted by StyleTime
Yeah. And I get it makes for drama sometimes, but it strains credibility when the woman they write has next to no emotional intelligence. Most of the women I know wouldn't do shit like that. At the very least, they should be called out in the story. It's part of why Scott/Emma worked. Scott clearly loved her but wouldn't just let her "Emma moments" fly either.

A well-written version of Emma is also a good contrast because her bitchy moments read as an emotionally intelligent choice to be mean or cutting. She leans in to it, which means that other people don't need to point it out to her--but they don't need to/shouldn't put up with it, either.

Jean, in contrast, is so much worse because she's clearly convinced that she's being nice and supportive by invading Bobby's privacy, outing him, and belittling him. And in the process, voicing the middle finger that Marvel gives to Bobby's character history.

Originally posted by StyleTime
Yeah. And I get it makes for drama sometimes, but it strains credibility when the woman they write has next to no emotional intelligence. Most of the women I know wouldn't do shit like that. At the very least, they should be called out in the story. It's part of why Scott/Emma worked. Scott clearly loved her but wouldn't just let her "Emma moments" fly either.

On the outing thing specifically, I feel like it's clumsy writing most times. Jennifer Takeda did the same to Julie Power. Later though, granted it started rough, Julie handled the same situation with Striker in a much healthier way.

Julie is one of our wholesome Power Pack kids though, so I guess she'll always be understanding. It's a shame the way she was treated when she dated Karolina Dean from the Runaways, who turned out to be emotionally distant and neglectful. And now Karolina is off being a phuckboi with Nico. Our little Julie deserved better. uhuh

It also helped that, like Smurph said, Emma has layers. She's not naturally a *****; it's a defence mechanism brought on by years of struggle.

Jean by comparison... you can see in the older books that they tried to make her well-rounded. She had a personality. Nowadays though? She's not nearly the character she used to be.

And I say this as someone who in general doesn't like Jean Grey as a "person". I can still appreciate good writing, and there was a time when she had that.

I wouldn't really blame Jean here.

It's Bendis. He could've written the same scene replacing Jean with Luke Cage...

"Sweet Christmas! You are gay, Bobby!"

Cage is overrated.

Originally posted by StyleTime
Yeah. And I get it makes for drama sometimes, but it strains credibility when the woman they write has next to no emotional intelligence. Most of the women I know wouldn't do shit like that. At the very least, they should be called out in the story. It's part of why Scott/Emma worked. Scott clearly loved her but wouldn't just let her "Emma moments" fly either.

On the outing thing specifically, I feel like it's clumsy writing most times. Jennifer Takeda did the same to Julie Power. Later though, granted it started rough, Julie handled the same situation with Striker in a much healthier way.

Julie is one of our wholesome Power Pack kids though, so I guess she'll always be understanding. It's a shame the way she was treated when she dated Karolina Dean from the Runaways, who turned out to be emotionally distant and neglectful. And now Karolina is off being a phuckboi with Nico. Our little Julie deserved better. uhuh

Still pretty cringe tbh.

Less on unnecessary drama, more on a really awkward, forced, unnatural conversation.

Originally posted by Smurph
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A well-written version of Emma is also a good contrast because her bitchy moments read as an emotionally intelligent choice to be mean or cutting. She leans in to it, which means that other people don't need to point it out to her--but they don't need to/shouldn't put up with it, either.

Jean, in contrast, is so much worse because she's clearly convinced that she's being nice and supportive by invading Bobby's privacy, outing him, and belittling him. And in the process, voicing the middle finger that Marvel gives to Bobby's character history.

Originally posted by -Pr-
It also helped that, like Smurph said, Emma has layers. She's not naturally a *****; it's a defence mechanism brought on by years of struggle.

Jean by comparison... you can see in the older books that they tried to make her well-rounded. She had a personality. Nowadays though? She's not nearly the character she used to be.

And I say this as someone who in general doesn't like Jean Grey as a "person". I can still appreciate good writing, and there was a time when she had that.

It's Teen Jean that was the problem, or at least the way Bendis used her. Her best quality was demonstrating how much Adult Jean holds back, which culminated in Adult Jean's showing against Cassandra Nova. They're confirmed to be the same character now, but Teen Jean was definitely written way more obnoxious than Jean typically is.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
I wouldn't really blame Jean here.

It's Bendis. He could've written the same scene replacing Jean with Luke Cage...

"Sweet Christmas! You are gay, Bobby!"

He actually did a decent job with Battle of the Atom, a neat and contained little crossover.

Then he went full Bendis.

Originally posted by cdtm
Still pretty cringe tbh.

Less on unnecessary drama, more on a really awkward, forced, unnatural conversation.

And yeah, Karolina/Julie....the scene on the couch especially. No way Julie, or anyone, would sit on a couch alone and say that line out loud. I feel like writers sometimes forget the characters aren't speaking for an audience. If you're alone, you might even think something like that, but you wouldn't just say "Herp, TFW when you're girlfriend is ignoring you! DERP"

Who is she expecting to respond to that exactly?