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Yeah, but it's different in Dragon Ball --- some techniques require specific movements/gestures in order to perform them correctly.

Piccolo can't fire a Makankosappo without placing his index and middle fingers on his forehead beforehand.

Nappa can't nuke the city with Bakuhatsuha if he doesn't raise said fingers and so on.

Goku likes to modify techniques, like that time he fired a kamehameha with his feet or when he combined IT with kamehameha, as Galan just posted.

But Goku is the most OP fighter in the whole series, so he's an exception to lots of things.

I'm not sure about the somatic movements, but the incantations don't seem particularly important, point in case Goten's Kamekameha.

That said, Goku never put two fingers on his forehead when he teleported to fire that planet-threatening Kamehameha at Cell, did he?

Correct, as Galan already posted.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Yeah, but it's different in Dragon Ball --- some techniques require specific movements/gestures in order to perform them correctly.

Piccolo can't fire a Makankosappo without placing his index and middle fingers on his forehead beforehand.

Nappa can't nuke the city with Bakuhatsuha if he doesn't raise said fingers and so on.

Goku likes to modify techniques, like that time he fired a kamehameha with his feet or when he combined IT with kamehameha, as Galan just posted.

But Goku is the most OP fighter in the whole series, so he's an exception to lots of things.

But loads of other moves are just used as visual/audible cues so that we know what's going on. As mentioned, Goku doesn't *need* to chant the words "KA...ME...HA...ME...HAAA!!!" to fire the blast(he and others have fired Kamehamehas without speaking in the past), and he doesn't *need* to make a finger gesture to use IT. Granted he does these superfluous things 99% of the time, but they aren't strict prerequisites for the techniques themselves... It's just put there so we know what's going on.

Originally posted by Galan007
Piccolo's SBC is probably *the* best example.

Antenna blast or eye lasers, even better examples.

Gouge Piccolo's eyes out and cut off his antennas and tell him to try those techniques.

It would be like telling Theon Greyjoy to masturbate after Ramsay was done with him.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Correct, as Galan already posted.

I don't blame you. At all. 👆

Midnighter with full Authority resources (No help) vs Goku.

Kid Goku stomps.

Originally posted by Galan007
Yeah, some characters have to use specific gestures as a means of focusing their ki to a specific point -- Piccolo's SBC is probably *the* best example.

But loads of other moves are just used as visual/audible cues so that we know what's going on. As mentioned, Goku doesn't *need* to chant the words "KA...ME...HA...ME...HAAA!!!" to fire the blast(he and others have fired Kamehamehas without speaking in the past), and he doesn't *need* to make a finger gesture to use IT. Granted he does these superfluous things 99% of the time, but they aren't strict prerequisites for the techniques themselves... It's just put there so we know what's going on.

Or it is CIS 😈

Originally posted by cdtm
Midnighter with full Authority resources (No help) vs Goku.

Midnighter uses Door, Goku suffocates in space.

One thing about DB speed that always threw me for a loop. People say that the characters are gazillions of times FTL because of dodging ki blasts that are FTL etc. Yet we've seen Goku on numerous occasions, even in SSB, use a KAMEHAMEHA and then use instant TM to go in front of the blast for a surprise attack. Why not just straight up outspeed the blast without ITM? PIS? CIS? Me being pedantic? Hell how are they ever hit by ki blasts in the first place?

Prolly the latter but it's annoying lol.

Anyway my brief thoughts. If you slide DB characters over to Marvel/DC they would very likely be portrayed in the same league as the top tiers in those respective universes. Maybe slightly above when you add in UI etc. But with Marvel, I'd bet my paycheck they'd never portray Goku and co in the same league as cosmic beings or high end gods. I can't see DC doing it either, though they do have a history of giving some of their top tiers good showings against their gods given various amps and other plot devices.

However if you slide comic book characters into the DB verse the top tiers would've been left in the dust at around the android saga. Maybe even before then. But certainly before the Cell games imo.

The obvious answer, they are NOT ftl. And neither is their ki blasts.

Estimates by panels and animation frames is just that: Estimates.

Than there is how long it took Goku to travel a million kilometers in the Saiyan Saga, well after Roshie and Piccolo moon busting estimates put them at light speed.

Originally posted by Galan007
In all seriousness, who do you guys think is the weakest character in comics who could destroy a planet(via energy projection) as effortlessly as Freeza did here?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCUd2mxkl3o&t=0m26s

*We don't even need to discuss the fact that planet Vegeta was larger/denser than Earth right now... Just curious which comic character can destroy an Earth-like planet that casually?

I was under the impression that frieza blows up the core of the planets? The destruction of Namek kinda implied this and most of the supplemental stuff I've read also says it's the core he destroys. Also in Super when he decided to blow up Earth after Vegeta butt plugged him, him aimed his blast into the ground. Why not just lift a finger and blow it up?

I'm not married to this position though. Just my perception

Originally posted by cdtm
The obvious answer, they are NOT ftl. And neither is their ki blasts.

Estimates by panels and animation frames is just that: Estimates.

Than there is how long it took Goku to travel a million kilometers in the Saiyan Saga, well after Roshie and Piccolo moon busting estimates put them at light speed.

Then you have the Dyspo shyt. His "Lightspeed mode" where he started whooping ass. I have to read the Manga tho because I'm curious to see how that is portrayed there versus the anime

I imagine Doctor Doom in Dragon Ball would go something like this:

Originally posted by cdtm
The obvious answer, they are NOT ftl. And neither is their ki blasts.

Estimates by panels and animation frames is just that: Estimates.

Than there is how long it took Goku to travel a million kilometers in the Saiyan Saga, well after Roshie and Piccolo moon busting estimates put them at light speed.

So, we're just gonna ignore Beerus reacting to an explosion that was about to engulf the Universe in at most 3 seconds?

Originally posted by dmills
One thing about DB speed that always threw me for a loop. People say that the characters are gazillions of times FTL because of dodging ki blasts that are FTL etc. Yet we've seen Goku on numerous occasions, even in SSB, use a KAMEHAMEHA and then use instant TM to go in front of the blast for a surprise attack. Why not just straight up outspeed the blast without ITM? PIS? CIS? Me being pedantic? Hell how are they ever hit by ki blasts in the first place?

Prolly the latter but it's annoying lol.

Anyway my brief thoughts. If you slide DB characters over to Marvel/DC they would very likely be portrayed in the same league as the top tiers in those respective universes. Maybe slightly above when you add in UI etc. But with Marvel, I'd bet my paycheck they'd [b]never portray Goku and co in the same league as cosmic beings or high end gods. I can't see DC doing it either, though they do have a history of giving some of their top tiers good showings against their gods given various amps and other plot devices.

However if you slide comic book characters into the DB verse the top tiers would've been left in the dust at around the android saga. Maybe even before then. But certainly before the Cell games imo. [/B]

Marvel would be stupid, then, since what Goku and Beerus were doing to Universe 7 was identical to what Galactus and Mephisto were doing to Mephisto's realm. And well, Toriyama wouldn't exactly be wrong about that. DC characters at the level of the Justice League usually cap at planet, planet+, large planet, star, and Solar System level.

Good to see you dmills, the answer to your question is, the more powerful you are, the faster your attacks are. Also, IT isn't light speed, its instantaneous movement. If you want to see them straight up outpacing blasts, then here, outpacing their attacks...

https://static1.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11114/111142976/5205111-dbz%201.jpg

But yeah, the more powerful a Z fighter gets, not only does their speed, strength, durability, etc... increase but the speed of their blast does as well.

Originally posted by dmills
Then you have the Dyspo shyt. His "Lightspeed mode" where he started whooping ass. I have to read the Manga tho because I'm curious to see how that is portrayed there versus the anime

You're wrong. It said Dypso SURPASSED both sound and light...

https://i.imgur.com/jscj1b5.png

Then he said that he can increase that speed a thousand folds in an instant...

https://i.imgur.com/P5CTnqi.png

Originally posted by dmills
I was under the impression that frieza blows up the core of the planets? The destruction of Namek kinda implied this and most of the supplemental stuff I've read also says it's the core he destroys. Also in Super when he decided to blow up Earth after Vegeta butt plugged him, him aimed his blast into the ground. Why not just lift a finger and blow it up?

I'm not married to this position though. Just my perception

But it's not the *only* way he can destroy a world. The planet-buster he flicked at Vegeta(in the clip of mine that you quoted) didn't look to have targeted its core, as the energy ball detonated on impact with the planet's surface, and no mention was made of it targeting the core.