Originally posted by MrMindMore or less.
I remember at the end of the broly movie goku thinks broly could be even above beerusturns out beerus just fukin with everybody by not revealing his full power
Because we now know that Beerus could logically toy with Broly while still suppressing the hell out of his power.
Logically Gogeta should be above everything depicted outside Whis, but I highly doubt it'd turn out that way if he appeared again with the way Beerus is going. And moreso than any other showing Beerus has, but the Vegeta one completely uncaps him from anything. He one shotted him while trying to destroy his armor. 😬
Gogeta could probably do the same, but I think Beerus is going to keep moving up beyond this everytime he does something. At least with his previous fights he was shown struggling a bit, but now with his highest showing it's nothing to him. Turns down his power to nano fractions just so he can exert effort.
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
That was until Goku claimed the Moro was the strongest enemy he ever faced...and then Moro got an enormous amp and Beerus still thought he could easily destroy Moro.Beerus >> Planet Moro >/~ MUI Goku >>> 73-Moro > Broly < FP Gogeta. Gogeta needed a FP Kamehameha to fully take down Broly, who is weaker than Moro, who broke his arm just trying to punch current MUI Goku, who Beerus wipes his ass with.
where does Merus rank in all this, is he above all of them?
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZBeerus.
Beerus versus Universe!Eternity?
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZHard to say.
Omni-King versus Multi-Eternity?
It's one thing for Zen-Oh to wipe out a handful of universes. It's an entirely different thing to wipe out infinite universes.
Though I do wonder what would happen if Zen-Oh tried to "squish" the singular embodiment of Multi-Eternity, if he were standing right in front of him..? mmm
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZGoku's implication is that Moro-73 was just all-around tougher than anyone he'd ever fought up to that point, which should scale Moro-73 above Broly by default.
I just don”t know if you could say Moro would break his arm trying to punch Blue Gogeta in the same way he did against current MUI. Honestly, if 73-Moro is stronger than Broly he”d probably defeat Blue Gogeta via drain and relative parity.
That said, Broly would be an all you can eat buffet for any version of Moro, tbh. Same with SSB Gogeta.
Originally posted by MrMindMerus ~ current MUI Goku, who is inferior to Beerus.
where does Merus rank in all this, is he above all of them?
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZNobody breaks their arm in DB; not even Krillin vs Perfect Cell. It's a bit of an outlier, and also Moro threw it in a clawed form as opposed to punching him. Nothing in his arm was stabilized. That's also why you don't punch with your fists folded in like you're powering up, but rather completely straight. Once your wrist folds inwards on a punch it's going to be a painful day. Worst if you hit something with zero give. If I went and attacked my bag right now like that I'd probably break my fingers at least.
I just don”t know if you could say Moro would break his arm trying to punch Blue Gogeta in the same way he did against current MUI. Honestly, if 73-Moro is stronger than Broly he”d probably defeat Blue Gogeta via drain and relative parity.
I still go back to what that fusion was as well. A SSG eating an evolved SSB level being. Not sure that should beat out something hundreds of times stronger than a standard blue form.
If you count Broly that Gogeta fought as weaker than fused Moro, then sure, but the rest of the context doesn't make sense for that to me. SSB Goku blowing off Gogeta's arm. 😬
Originally posted by One Big MobWhen Moro attacked MUI Goku, he was trying to replicate this:
Nobody breaks their arm in DB; not even Krillin vs Perfect Cell. It's a bit of an outlier, and also Moro threw it in a clawed form as opposed to punching him. Nothing in his arm was stabilized. That's also why you don't punch with your fists folded in like you're powering up, but rather completely straight. Once your wrist folds inwards on a punch it's going to be a painful day. Worst if you hit something with zero give. If I went and attacked my bag right now like that I'd probably break my fingers at least.
I realize he was trying to pierce him, but it wasn't the same form, and his fingers are just out there waiting to compromise his wrist. If you strike your wife at a downward angle with sword hands as hard as you can it will probably hurt you more than her. Whereas if you just started laying into her with a packed fist you won't ensure mutual destruction. Hell even the palm strikes are pretty safe on your hands and wrists as long as you don't get your fingers in the way. Full speed sword hands are only for karate chopping wives.
Originally posted by One Big Mob
I still go back to what that fusion was as well. A SSG eating an evolved SSB level being. Not sure that should beat out something hundreds of times stronger than a standard blue form.If you count Broly that Gogeta fought as weaker than fused Moro, then sure, but the rest of the context doesn't make sense for that to me. SSB Goku blowing off Gogeta's arm. 😬
Wdym by “an SSJG eating an evolved SSB level being”? Iirc Moro was weaker than Blue initially, but while Goku and Vegeta were training to fight Moro, he ate countless planets and was above Sign when they next fought. Then he reboots and fuses with 73.
I don’t think the implication of Moro > Broly is SSB Goku blowing off Gogeta”s arm, because even pre-73, post many planet-eating Moro would oneshot mastered Blue Goku.
Originally posted by One Big MobI take more of a Sean Connery approach when it comes to "correcting" women. A good #Shlap seems to keep them in line. 👆
I realize he was trying to pierce him, but it wasn't the same form, and his fingers are just out there waiting to compromise his wrist. If you strike your wife at a downward angle with sword hands as hard as you can it will probably hurt you more than her. Whereas if you just started laying into her with a packed fist you won't ensure mutual destruction. Hell even the palm strikes are pretty safe on your hands and wrists as long as you don't get your fingers in the way. Full speed sword hands are only for karate chopping wives.
But striking form aside, I doubt a solid punch from Moro would've had any more of an effect on MUI Goku than his piercing strike did. The only difference is that *maybe* Moro wouldn't have shattered the bejesus out of his arm -- but Goku would have still just stood there and no-sold it, imo.
Not sure if I can imagine Gogeta tanking any of Broly's strikes like that. /shrug
*And I obvs know that Gogeta > Broly. I just don't think the difference between them was *as* vast as the difference between MUI Goku and Moro-73. That's why I follow the logic that current MUI Goku is likely > SSB Gogeta(assuming that Moro-73 > Broly, like Goku implied.)
I see it as: MUI Goku = Angel-Moro > SSB Gogeta ~/> Moro-73 > Broly.
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZHe was drained to next to nothing by Vegeta which would put him below SSG in raw power. Evolved SSB Vegeta was around Prime Moro's form though a little weaker but enough to take his attacks well.
Wdym by “an SSJG eating an evolved SSB level being”? Iirc Moro was weaker than Blue initially, but while Goku and Vegeta were training to fight Moro, he ate countless planets and was above Sign when they next fought. Then he reboots and fuses with 73.I don’t think the implication of Moro > Broly is SSB Goku blowing off Gogeta”s arm, because even pre-73, post many planet-eating Moro would oneshot mastered Blue Goku.
So you basically have beginning of the arc SSG Vegeta eating end of the arc Evolved Vegeta and that being his power. Basically does combining that level of power beat out being many times 2 prior arc blues? Unless a multiplication is in effect, it doesn't make sense to me.
He might be able to one shot him, but that doesn't erase that Goku has enough power to nigh-instantly summon up a beam that can blow off this Gogeta level being's arm. If him breaking his arm sets a precedent against Gogeta, then why wouldn't him getting his arm blasted off? Him trying to stop that beam wasn't enough, nor was his durability.
Moro just didn't come off that powerful to me, and his power sources don't line up with that level either. He has one line going for him in that aspect.
Basically I don't think it applies to Gogeta/FPBroly via oversight, but I also don't think Gogeta is above Beerus anymore per his ever rising level.
Originally posted by Galan007I'm fine with him tanking it. I'm talking purely about the break.
I take more of a Sean Connery approach when it comes to "correcting" women. A good #Shlap seems to keep them in line. 👆But striking form aside, I doubt a solid punch from Moro would've had any more of an effect on MUI Goku than his piercing strike did. The only difference is that *maybe* Moro wouldn't have shattered the bejesus out of his arm -- but Goku would have still just stood there and no-sold it, imo.
Not sure if I can imagine Gogeta tanking any of Broly's strikes like that. /shrug
I'm still waiting until anything gets said at all about fusion vs UI myself before I take a hard stance. Everything gets so disconnected there and I doubt it will ever be directly addressed besides assuming blanket statements apply to that different medium.
Need to see both used in one fight.