Originally posted by carver9According to DS, the nature of Fantomex's powerset haven't been sharply defined. So that being said, there are really two scenarios as I see it...
He was not koed though. Hurt but not koed. He's been punched, kicked, stabbed, etc... how is it always active if he is being crushed by opponents?
1.) Fantomex's powers aren't active at the onset. In which case Goku will blitz the christ out of him before he can activate his abilities, and/or nuke the field with a single blast.
2.) Fantomex's powers are already active at the onset. In which case Goku becomes his perpetual play-thing.
He lifts his hand here to activate misdirect..
Lifts his hand to activate it...
Lifts his hand here as well...
And he does it in the scan I posted where you're (Darksaint) claiming he's koed.
Originally posted by Galan007
According to DS, the nature of Fantomex's powerset haven't been sharply defined. So that being said, there are really two scenarios as I see it...1.) Fantomex's powers aren't active at the onset. In which case Goku will blitz the christ out of him before he can activate his abilities, and/or nuke the field with a single blast.
2.) Fantomex's powers are already active at the onset. In which case Goku becomes his perpetual play-thing.
I can agree with this. Sadly, it isn't always active.
"How long will your misdirection work on the mean little Kraut". "Not long, I'd wager it...". An always active ability doesn't fade away or diminish. When Night Crawler ported in, that ability still would have been there AND it wouldn't have faded like Fantomex mentioned.
Originally posted by Galan007
According to DS, the nature of Fantomex's powerset haven't been sharply defined. So that being said, there are really two scenarios as I see it...1.) Fantomex's powers aren't active at the onset. In which case Goku will blitz the christ out of him before he can activate his abilities, and/or nuke the field with a single blast.
2.) Fantomex's powers are already active at the onset. In which case Goku becomes his perpetual play-thing.
See, the thing is, Fantomex is unproven against blind people, like Daredevils radar sense.
And Goku vs Tien 2 proved Goku doesn't need to see an enemy to fight them, and can effectively replicate the radar sense.
Piccolo also instructed Gohan to let his eyes diffuse when watching Yamaha vs Saibamen, implying Dragon Ball fights in general happen at such high speeds that they don't rely on their vision, but on sixth senses. (Not a leap to apply this to the earlier arcs, which should operate on similar principles)
Originally posted by Galan007
According to DS, the nature of Fantomex's powerset haven't been sharply defined. So that being said, there are really two scenarios as I see it...1.) Fantomex's powers aren't active at the onset. In which case Goku will blitz the christ out of him before he can activate his abilities, and/or nuke the field with a single blast.
2.) Fantomex's powers are already active at the onset. In which case Goku becomes his perpetual play-thing.
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Originally posted by carver9
He lifts his hand here to activate misdirect..Lifts his hand to activate it...
Lifts his hand here as well...
And he does it in the scan I posted where you're (Darksaint) claiming he's koed.
Nice.
So where is it activated here? Let me know which panel has the misdirection starting (just so you know, Logan and Fantomex weren't actually in the fight at all - and before you ask, no, that panel where his hand is up and he's being choked by the ribbons isn't the misdirection starting, as it's shown he was never in the ribbons to start with):
https://i.postimg.cc/k5zJ0r78/1-Inerplanetary-Long-Range-Misdirection-1.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/yNtRvr5p/2-Inerplanetary-Long-Range-Misdirection-2.jpg
That was over interplanetary distances, and it fades because of distance (more on that later).
When is it activated here?
https://i.postimg.cc/5trsMgHD/1-Misdirection-Jean-Charles-1.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/rpbzC0bS/2-Misdirection-Jean-Charles-2.jpg
The entire sequence with Jean and Xavier was an illusion, btw - the old lady, the house, everything:
https://i.postimg.cc/8CY6CnmB/4-Misdirection-Jean-Charles-4.jpg
When is it activated here?
https://i.postimg.cc/P5nJNqTy/RCO011-1468906482.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/SKHhRW2z/Uncanny-X-Force-017-011.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/cJ2Dwhc0/Uncanny-X-Force-017-016.jpg
How about here, when he has both his hands full with his guns - when does the illusion start?
https://i.postimg.cc/FKwXn9D5/WFgZJBy.jpg
This is what I was telling Galan - writers are deliberately vague with his powerset. Yes, sometimes he lifts his hands - and sometimes he doesn't. It just is.
Originally posted by carver9
"How long will your misdirection work on the mean little Kraut". "Not long, I'd wager it...". An always active ability doesn't fade away or diminish. When Night Crawler ported in, that ability still would have been there AND it wouldn't have faded like Fantomex mentioned.
It fades with distance. I mean, to use an example for you, Hulk is ALWAYS radioactive - but put enough distance between you and him, and that radioactivity will fade. Doesn't mean the Hulk is turning his radiation on and off.
Originally posted by carver9Who's the weakest person that can beat this version of Goku in a 1 on 1 match? The starting distance is 10 ft, both are trying to take each other out and anime fts are allowed. CDTM, you're not invited to respond to this message.
Shadowcat maybe ? Phase him into the ground or something.
Goku had a bad rap in DBS for being overconfident, but im pretty sure he avoided all of Chi-Chi's attacks, so maybe he wouldn't let her touch him though.
Originally posted by Damborgson
Shadowcat maybe ? Phase him into the ground or something.Goku had a bad rap in DBS for being overconfident, but im pretty sure he avoided all of Chi-Chi's attacks, so maybe he wouldn't let her touch him though.
Yeah, this is before teleporting, so stalemate.
With tp he could probably just tp to her physical form. She phases by being displaced in hyperspace, right?
Theoretically the Goku being used could copy Roshi's hypno tech, as he's a proven copy master.
Am 100% certain current Vegeta beats current Goku now.
Goku has become something of a glass cannon, judging by how fast Granolah keeps taking him out. And he claimed Goku doesn't hit hard enough to do any real damage.
Plus Goku decided Vegeta should get the senzu bean, and not himself. Goku isn't humble, he's a fighting pragmatist, he'd take it himself if he knew he'd win.
So a fight between MUI Goku and UE Vegeta would probably have Goku zipping around Vegeta and Vegeta face tanking everything, until Vegeta finally gets in a dual exchange, or grabs Goku's leg just as it hits him like Jiren did. All it should take is a few good shots from Vegeta.
Originally posted by Damborgson
Shadowcat maybe ? Phase him into the ground or something.Goku had a bad rap in DBS for being overconfident, but im pretty sure he avoided all of Chi-Chi's attacks, so maybe he wouldn't let her touch him though.
Do you think he could blitz her before she had the chance to phase?
Originally posted by carver9
She gets blitzed though along with Fantomex before he lifts his hand.
That's what Goku thinks he's doing.
Only to find that he's done nothing of the sort. You still haven't answered my question to point out where in my scans he's 'lifting his hand' to create illusions. Which means you can't, so I win.
