!!!The Official Dragon Ball vs. Comics Thread!!!

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
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So what is your proof, then? You acknowledge that it's not always shown, so what proof do you have?

To help you understand with an example you'll grasp:

DS85: who could beat Hercules in an arm wrestle?
Carv: Hulk.
DS85: Bull. Here are showings where Hulk is weaker, way weaker than Herc!
Carv: Low showings, context, etc.
DS85: doesn't matter. I have shown that Hulk is weaker than Herc. End of discussion.

See how silly it looks?

I already posted proof that you tried to deny by showing images of him off panel. I also posted a scan of Nightcrawler blitzing in right next to him with that ability not even being active.

Your Hulk examples are not the same. We have CONSISTENT on panel showings of him getting slapped, punched, kicked, his abilities not being active, etc... this isn't called low showings, this is called proving someone powers work the way you're saying it does. We all know Hulk is the strongest. What you're mentioning is debatable and doesn't exist. Fantomex dies.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
It was a sucker shot.

Goku outreacted literal sunlight as a kid.

It should be impossible to sucker shoot someone who outreacts light. Read your sentence again, lol.

Originally posted by carver9
I already posted proof that you tried to deny by showing images of him off panel. I also posted a scan of Nightcrawler blitzing in right next to him with that ability not even being active.

Your Hulk examples are not the same. We have CONSISTENT on panel showings of him getting slapped, punched, kicked, his abilities not being active, etc... this isn't called low showings, this is called proving someone powers work the way you're saying it does. We all know Hulk is the strongest. What you're mentioning is debatable and doesn't exist. Fantomex dies.

Hulk is the strongest? There are PLENTY of times he isn't the strongest. Therefore, CONSISTENTLY, he isn't. Great logic. I mean didn't we have this with Hulk absorbing Gamma rays?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
It should be impossible to sucker shoot someone who outreacts light. Read your sentence again, lol.

He literally got shot from behind while his attention was diverted.

Dont act like stupid shit doesn't happen in comics either, and with far more regularity since you have multiple writers all doing their own thing.

Lol ok, my tone was perhaps overly confrontational, let me walk it back ...

Yes, agree stupid shit occurs in all mediums. But the way Goku was being sold to me, he has these all-encompassing ki sensing and FTL reactions, plus insane battle smarts that'll tell him he's in an illusion (when smart guys like Xavier and Shadow King couldn't tell) etc ....

Then a random thug outreacts him. Sure, he was distracted - but it is still impossible, barring PIS, to outreact him. The femtosecond he detects a laser bolt traveling towards him, he has literal lifetimes to react.

So agreed, him getting hit is silly. 100% agree, which is why I didn't bring it up even though I knew of it from previous discussions. Cdtm is just trying to stir things up.

However, I'm also in a discussion with Carv (and it's related, as Carv is agreeing with you) about abilities which are 'always on' or not.

Is his speed something that needs to be activated? If not, and he 'always' has this speed/senses, then we can chalk it up to PIS (same way Flash gets hit by gorillas). All I then ask, is for people to be fair and recognise that inconsistencies occur, and that for the purposes of the challenge, we are not using their low showings. If it DOES need to be activated, well.....

Fantomex wins 🙂.

You should take a lesson from abhi and watch some Dragon Ball.

Especially after investing so much time in this discussion 😛

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Wait, so a common thug was fast enough to outreact Goku to shoot him? Interesting.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
It should be impossible to sucker shoot someone who outreacts light. Read your sentence again, lol.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85

So agreed, him getting hit is silly. [B]100% agree, which is why I didn't bring it up even though I knew of it from previous discussions. Cdtm is just trying to stir things up.

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At least he agrees that it shouldn't have happened even though no matter how fast Goku is, he was in a predicament to where he didn't have a choice but to get hit. His back was turned, he powered all the way down and he was distracted. His attention wasn't on the shooter, it was on Frieza.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Hulk is the strongest? There are PLENTY of times he isn't the strongest. Therefore, CONSISTENTLY, he isn't. Great logic. I mean didn't we have this with Hulk absorbing Gamma rays?

🤦🏿... Hulk have plenty of showings to determine his strength. The showings that Fatom have, it's pretty evident that his powers are not always active.

Originally posted by carver9
It really can't. How did you come to this conclusion?

Adaptation exists. That alone says you're wrong.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Adaptation exists. That alone says you're wrong.

Nightcrawler isn't known for adapting though and Fantomex abilities, I wouldn't call that something you can adapt to. Just let me have this one, please (because I'm right).

Originally posted by carver9
Nightcrawler isn't known for adapting though and Fantomex abilities, I wouldn't call that something you can adapt to. Just let me have this one, please (because I'm right).

If you were right, you wouldn't be begging.

Originally posted by carver9
At least he agrees that it shouldn't have happened even though no matter how fast Goku is, he was in a predicament to where he didn't have a choice but to get hit. His back was turned, he powered all the way down and he was distracted. His attention wasn't on the shooter, it was on Frieza.

But wait - your challenge was that he was trying to win here, so I assume as per you, he is powered up? Otherwise, it is silly, no?

Give me some context here, lol. Is Goku at full levels and the opponents we name sleeping in bed, waiting to be attacked? I mean, Piccolo Jr managed to blast through his shoulder (which the ref reacted to, btw lol), so he's not always 'on', either.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Lol. So he powered all the way down, so his abilities need to be activated?

But wait - your challenge was that he was trying to win here, so I [b]assume as per you, he is powered up? Otherwise, it is silly, no?

Give me some context here, lol. Is Goku at full levels and the opponents we name sleeping in bed, waiting to be attacked? I mean, Piccolo Jr managed to blast through his shoulder (which the ref reacted to, btw lol), so he's not always 'on', either. [/B]

Well, this version of Goku knew nothing about powering up or down. His power level remained the same, so it doesn't apply here.

Yes, Piccolo managed to hurt him with a blast (not laser) shot from his hand or mouth, cant remember. Remember, Goku was beat on, blasted on and JUST survived a blast that engulfed an island and was more powerful than Roshi moon buster. I wouldn't say Goku was at 100%, not even close to it.

Originally posted by carver9
Well, this version of Goku knew nothing about powering up or down. His power level remained the same, so it doesn't apply here.

Yes, Piccolo managed to hurt him with a blast (not laser) shot from his hand or mouth, cant remember. Remember, Goku was beat on, blasted on and JUST survived a blast that engulfed an island and was more powerful than Roshi moon buster. I wouldn't say Goku was at 100%, not even close to it.

So his power level is the same, but he's still hit by an attack the referee reacted to? What's the power level of the referee?

And what proof do you have that he was weakened? Was he at what, 50%? 10?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=InuX2qAO7Ic

About 37 minutes in.

Don't think you're looking at the scene right, Dark. Goku wasn't even looking at Piccolo when he attacked and the ref reacted to the attack AFTER Goku was hit. You're trying too hard. Fantomex gets blitzed to death.

Originally posted by carver9
At least he agrees that it shouldn't have happened even though no matter how fast Goku is, he was in a predicament to where he didn't have a choice but to get hit. His back was turned, he powered all the way down and he was distracted. His attention wasn't on the shooter, it was on Frieza.

So he got careless.

If he was paying attention, he would have noticed the gunman with his sharpened senses, or his ki sense.

Same reason he got blind sided by Piccolo. Or why Piccolo got him with the electric antenna, which Goku admitted only hit him because he got careless.

That's a point for Fantomex.

Originally posted by cdtm
So he got careless.

If he was paying attention, he would have noticed the gunman with his sharpened senses, or his ki sense.

Same reason he got blind sided by Piccolo.

That's a point for Fantomex.

The shooter was irrelevant. He didn't see him as a threat. In this situation, he will immediately target Fantomex and take him out.

Originally posted by carver9
Don't think you're looking at the scene right, Dark. Goku wasn't even looking at Piccolo when he attacked and the ref reacted to the attack AFTER Goku was hit. You're trying too hard. Fantomex gets blitzed to death.

It's AS he's getting hit. You even see the beam still in Goku.

Lightspeed ref there. What power level is the ref please, so I can scale off him. Then tell me how 'weak' Goku was there, lol