!!!The Official Dragon Ball vs. Comics Thread!!!

Originally posted by carver9
Lmao... @Dark, your arguments are all over the place.

Really? Others seem to grasp what I am trying to say here.

Fantomex's powers are not well-defined.

In the one fight you are drawing your feats from, Goku did NOT start out with FTE speeds, despite knowing who Piccolo Jr was (and his abilities), and despite wanting to win his fight (I assume, lol). If anything, he was at speeds that the crowd and referee were able to follow (and this is when he was fresh, at the start of the fight.

I mean, the nanosecond Goku realises he is in an illusion, sure, I agree, he will ramp up. Same way Piccolo didn't start the fight with a giant energy bomb, or Goku didn't start with a giant kamehameha - but they DID use it in the end. Hell, to bring it back to comics - Superman your fav character) doesn't start with lightspeed attacks - but the MOMENT he realises he is in for a fight with a tough opponent, he brings it into play.

My argument is that by the time Goku realises he is in an illusion (if he ever does), it would be too late.

You have thrown everything you can find from the Fantomex respect thread, lol, trying to see what sticks. Despite missing out vital context, like in some cases the misdirection being tried earlier in the fight and not working on the Deathloks (hence why he didn't use it against the Spidey Deathlok), or his abilities being blocked by Mystique (hence why he didn't use it), or even just plain misrepresenting and lying (he didn't try it on Logan in your scan - because they were on the same team).

Your use of scans is like me using those Spidey scans. The spider sense didn't warn him with Chameleon, didn't warn him with Dr Faustus, didn't warn him with Aunt May....it wasn't carelessness, he didn't ignore it, the Spider Sense simply didn't go off. Using your logic, I would be well within my rights to argue that the Spider Sense needs to be activated.

I would be wrong, just like you are wrong.

With War (the bull-headed guy), he exploded and came back, and despite Fantomex being nowhere near him and not lifting his hands, the misdirect was still in effect.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
You meant that you are retarded, waste of forum space and begging us to kill you?

Celestial =/= Skrull

sentient =/= pilots in the ship

cdtm = new ban, 400 days at least

In the example cdtm mentions, it is SPECIFICALLY said that he misdirected the ship, NOT the operators.

And he lifted his hand during that scene to use misdirect. Lmao.

Originally posted by carver9
And he lifted his hand during that scene to use miadirect. Lmao.

And he didn't in others. Lmao.

Per your previous statement, you mentioned that it wore off due to distance but now you're saying distance isn't a factor. So my question is, Nightcrawler was misdirected in the first page - why wasn't he misdirected again in the second page and why did Fantomex say that misdirect wore off?

https://m.imgur.com/a/9UfQE

Originally posted by carver9
Per your previous statement, you mentioned that it wore off due to distance but now you're saying distance isn't a factor. So my question is, Nightcrawler was misdirected in the first page - why wasn't he misdirected again in the second page and why did Fantomex say that misdirect wore off?

https://m.imgur.com/a/9UfQE

Because his powers are ill-defined....how many times must I say this, lol.

Why didn't Spider-Man's Spidey Sense warn him Faustus (a normal human lmao) was going to hit him? Or Chameleon?

Gotcha... so that is ANOTHER showing that I need to throw out? First you denied that scene due to distance but now you're discrediting it because his powers are not defined, per Dark.The patterns I'm seeing here is, your scans matter but mine should be thrown out. Since your scans matter, misdirect will be used during the onset? Gotcha!!!

Originally posted by carver9
Gotcha... so that is ANOTHER showing that I need to throw out? First you denied that scene due to distance but now you're discrediting it because his powers are not defined, per Dark.The patterns I'm seeing here is, your scans matter but mine should be thrown out. Since your scans matter, misdirect will be used during the onset? Gotcha!!!

Erm, I said at the start it was ill-defined.

I then said perhaps I was wrong:

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Sure, I can take it back, as I can see War was misdirected even when Fantomex was nowhere near.

Or maybe I'm wrong there... and it's actually because Fantomex's ability is always on (lol), hence why War's misdirected even though Fantomex isn't standing there with his hands up (lol).

Or maybe, it is as I have said - the nature of his powers is undefined.

Maybe you can explain?

I mean, here is a whole fight where Fantomex is taken by surprise with a surprise attack. Where does he throw the misdirect? When does he raise his hands? We even see that his hands are busy, holding guns (hence why I used it):

He didn't even know he would be fighting Logan, lol.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
In the example cdtm mentions, it is SPECIFICALLY said that he misdirected the ship, NOT the operators.

Yeah, Rick Remender's Uncanny X-Force.

But don't bother.

Posting comic book panels right in cdtm's face never worked. He's always acting as if he was using a text-only version of KMC:

https://www.killermovies.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-671228-the-official-dragon-ball-vs-comics-thread.html

And he's not good at reading, either.

Borderline illiterate inbred hobo living in the old sewers.

Originally posted by carver9
And he lifted his hand during that scene to use misdirect. Lmao.

You're going to argue now that Magneto needs gestures, too?

Or Wolverine, when he pops his claws?

Misdirection is likely to work, it's the ways of killing Goku that you should be questioning.

What was it again, using EVA to tear him from the inside? Hardly an ordinary tactic, is it? That's what you should focus about.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Yeah, Rick Remender's Uncanny X-Force.

But don't bother.

Posting comic book panels right in cdtm's face never worked. He's always acting as if he was using a text-only version of KMC:

https://www.killermovies.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-671228-the-official-dragon-ball-vs-comics-thread.html

And he's not good at reading, either.

Borderline illiterate inbred hobo living in the old sewers.

You're going to argue now that Magneto needs gestures, too?

Or Wolverine, when he pops his claws?

Misdirection is likely to work, it's the ways of killing Goku that you should be questioning.

What was it again, using EVA to tear him from the inside? Hardly an ordinary tactic, is it? That's what you should focus about.

That only proves Logan thinks the brain was fooled.

Is he an expert on Celestial technology? Was he there when it was "fooled"?

It proves nothing

To anyone else besidee Stiltman, maybe it's a good point.

To Stilt, a terrible point.

Well, Fantomex's record is still probably less then Midnighters battle computer over all.

Originally posted by cdtm
That only proves Logan thinks the brain was fooled.

You can't even say who is saying what in that panel, huh?

You poor turd.

Misdirection did work, as it prevented the ship from teleporting.

Originally posted by cdtm
Is he an expert on Celestial technology?

He's been an X-Man since 1975.

Apocalypse using Celestial tech and his ship being sentient is common knowledge, even the cartoon got that right.

Only a twisted product of years of inbreeding (such as yourself) is not aware of this.

Originally posted by cdtm
Was he there when it was "fooled"?

Standing right next to Fantomex.

Looking dead center at the misdirection target.

You missed that, too?

Originally posted by cdtm
It proves nothing

Proves you're really begging for another ban.

Originally posted by carver9
Gotcha... so that is ANOTHER showing that I need to throw out? First you denied that scene due to distance but now you're discrediting it because his powers are not defined, per Dark.The patterns I'm seeing here is, your scans matter but mine should be thrown out. Since your scans matter, misdirect will be used during the onset? Gotcha!!!

The whole point here is how vaguely defined Fantomex's powerset is. Sometimes his abilities seem to just be 'on' by default, and sometimes he seems to consciously activate them. We haven't been given a definitive answer one way or another -- DS has literally been saying this since the beginning.

You can post scans showing Fantomex seemingly having to activate his abilities during a battle, and DS can post scans of him seemingly not having his abilities at all. Neither of you are necessarily 'wrong' here... But that doubt makes it difficult to gauge how his powers would work in a forum fight.

Originally posted by Galan007
Your scans are not being ignored, carv.

The whole point here is how vaguely defined Fantomex's powerset is. Sometimes his abilities seem to just be 'on' by default, and sometimes he seems to consciously activate them. We haven't been given a definitive answer one way or another -- DS has literally been saying this since the beginning.

You can post scans showing Fantomex seemingly having to activate his abilities during a battle, and DS can post scans of him seemingly not having his abilities at all. Neither of you are necessarily 'wrong' here... But that doubt makes it difficult to gauge how his powers would work in a forum fight.

So do you agree that in this topic, since we have no defined way of determining this, that he can be ignored all together since neither one of us is right? All I'm saying is, since we've both provided evidence, why continue this argument about something that will never come to a conclusion. And if the conclusion turns out to be "his powers are always active against Goku", why choose Dark path over mine? I feel that debating him here should be exempted all together until KMC comes up with a way of determining his powerset.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
You can't even say who is saying what in that panel, huh?

You poor turd.

Misdirection did work, as it prevented the ship from teleporting.

He's been an X-Man since 1975.

Apocalypse using Celestial tech and his ship being sentient is common knowledge, even the cartoon got that right.

Only a twisted product of years of inbreeding (such as yourself) is not aware of this.

Standing right next to Fantomex.

Looking dead center at the misdirection target.

You missed that, too?

Proves you're really begging for another ban.

I missed when Logan was more than a berserker thug.

Or a telepath.

Mr. Xpert who's answer to every problem is stabby stabby.

Because you don't read comics that don't have a rich blond-haired boy bending over for a black convict with a monster cock?

And why exactly would Wolverine need to be a telepath here, Todd?

Logan fought against Nur's forces and even served as one of his fucking Horsemen. He knew of Apocalypse's sentient ship.

As he states in the panel (which you failed to read, as usual, amazing), he guessed Clan Akkaba was using a similar ship and turned out to be right. Which is not a big surprise, considering how Apoc's and his clan's modus operandi stays more or less the same over the millenia.

There was no time for anything else and it cost them nothing to try the misdirection.

I may have to post the panel where the ship's AI is explicitly fooled but the operators inside aren't.....hmmm.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I may have to post the panel where the ship's AI is explicitly fooled but the operators inside aren't.....hmmm.

As revealed a mere couple of pages later.

But don't count on cdtm acknowledging it.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
As revealed a mere couple of pages later.

But don't count on cdtm acknowledging it.

Says the guy who argues against Mxy and Thor based on solid facts of feelings. 😂

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