Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So? I am curious what your arguments this time are lmao.Edit: go to a wiki and read about his powers.
Aquarian can't run. He's shackled by his own power set.
Goku keeps about a miles distance and burns all the oxygen in the area. Aquarian , who needs to breath, eventually suffocates. (While I'm sure you'll find an example of him in space or something, the fact is he needs to breath like Kitty Pryde does in spite of riding a giant bullet through space)
Originally posted by carver9Not sure if I fully understand your question..?
@Galan...Would you consider Goku physical attributes (super strength and speed) part of his power? I know ki amping helps his stats but even before this, Goku still had super strength. If Aquarian took away Goku powers, wouldn't Goku still be a super strong and fast brick?
Goku's entire powerset revolves around ki. So if Goku's ki(ie. energy) were drained, then yeah, he'd be pretty much powerless.
...Kind of like when Spopovich and Yamu drained Gohan.
Originally posted by carver9
So you're saying Aquarian powers will take Goku out, the same power that Cap endured? Is this what you're saying? Cap can run around but Goku would be down and out?
You don't understand basic reading and logic. You're just being an idiot.
Again, please go and do read a basic wiki at the very least.
But to answer your silly question, yes.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85Getting another scan where some goons say how getting close to him saps their strength.
Ben Grimm also got weaker as he got closer.
There's
Captain America is in combat and Aquarian shows up and he temporarily falls to the ground. They talk and Aquarian mentions that his powers will diminish anything for some distance. Cap is still running right alongside of him. Cap is running around, Goku will pass out. Gotcha.
Originally posted by Galan007
Not sure if I fully understand your question..?Goku's entire powerset revolves around ki. So if Goku's ki(ie. energy) were drained, then yeah, he'd be pretty much powerless.
...Kind of like when Spopovich and Yamu drained Gohan.
I get where Carv's going with this.
I think it's arguable Goku has natural physical stats independent of his ki, based on the fact Grandpa Gohan never taught him a thing, yet Goku was still strong enough to flip a car and tank small arms bullets from Bulma's gun.
No ki amp there, that was all Goku's toughness.
Originally posted by cdtm
I get where Carv's going with this.I think it's arguable Goku has natural physical stats independent of his ki, based on the fact Grandpa Gohan never taught him a thing, yet Goku was still strong enough to flip a car and tank small arms bullets from Bulma's gun.
No ki amp there, that was all Goku's toughness.
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Originally posted by cdtm
I get where Carv's going with this.I think it's arguable Goku has natural physical stats independent of his ki, based on the fact Grandpa Gohan never taught him a thing, yet Goku was still strong enough to flip a car and tank small arms bullets from Bulma's gun.
No ki amp there, that was all Goku's toughness.
Originally posted by carver9Depends how Aquarian's null-field would affect Goku's ki. For example, would it drop him from, say, a PL of 250... Down to a PL of 1? Because in that case, he'd be weaker than farmer with a shotgun:
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All of Goku's stats revolve around his ki/PL at any given time. He was that strong as a child because he, being a Saiyan, was naturally born with a greater ki/PL than 99% of earth's inhabitants, and as such, was already very strong at the onset... But if his ki is gimped, then so are his abilities.
So normal humans, as shown, get weaker.
Again:
https://i.postimg.cc/nzHWMky1/RCO017-1465974442.jpg
Ben Grimm ,with his strengths, becomes weak:
https://postimg.cc/HJQqJC2F
And again:
https://i.postimg.cc/tgwcF7Lb/M2-N1-V1-058-007.jpg
He is absolutely dogshit at fighting, back in the day, though. But here he specifically says he steals 'muscle power' from Cap:
https://i.postimg.cc/pd7wk9bk/CAANN07-07b.jpg
Normal humans, with no superhuman stats, with only their own abilities independent of any ki or anything like that, become weak as kittens.
Of course, back in the day he wasn't a fighter, as per his words. Since then, though, he's been part of the 50 states Initiative, plus this thread he's actually fighting.
He can also contract and expand his field. Which explains why some are affected, and some aren't.
But it has a minimum distance around him, and it's always on.
Goku attempting a blitz as per his usual MO (as Carv has argued for days and pages) would bring him closer to this field, whereupon he would lose all his powers and strength etc
Here, a concrete beam with no superhuman stats (lol)loses its energy.
https://i.postimg.cc/W4yHvtnK/CAANN07-17a.jpg
SHOULD be vulnerable to sonics.
Or gas.
Or containment.
Just to name a few.
Not that Goku can do most of these, but just saying he doesn't sound all that OP with the tinyest bit of thought or planning.
And I stand by my potential oxygen strategy. It's how Superman defeated The Hat, as he stood on the moon the vacuum of space, otherwise invulnerable to all other attacks.
Goku can duplicate Supermans super breath effect with his fingers.
Or maybe he could use his tk and trap him in a giant dome or something. Blast a pit under his feet.
Originally posted by carver9
Goku basically punches him to sleep. Next.
Based on? Or are you trolling?
Please explain how a punch would actually hit Aquarian
Solarr's kinetic energy was neutralised.
https://i.postimg.cc/k5ZRvdJK/M2-N1-V1-057-012.jpg
Why would Goku get closer to the field? Also, the field is around him, if Goku blast the entire area around Aquarian, wouldn't that bfr him. Blast a deep hole around him would bfr him. This can obviously happen before he expanded his shield that is tight around his body. How would Aquarian handle Goku getting rid of a large chunk of the area in a blast before he had time to expand his shield? Can he fly back?
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Based on? Or are you trolling?Please explain how a punch would actually hit Aquarian
Solarr's kinetic energy was neutralised.
https://i.postimg.cc/k5ZRvdJK/M2-N1-V1-057-012.jpg
So since you need ki to live, and as Aquarian isn't dead, wouldn't that imply his field does not affect certain energies?
Originally posted by carver9
Why would Goku get closer to the field? Also, the field is around him, if Goku blast the entire area around Aquarian, wouldn't that bfr him. Blast a deep hole around him would bfr him. This can obviously happen before he expanded his shield that is tight around his body. How would Aquarian handle Goku getting rid of a large chunk of the area in a blast before he had time to expand his shield? Can he fly back?
Yes he can fly.
https://i.postimg.cc/R0YcQFhB/Avengers-Initiative-19-pg-Zone-004.jpg
I thought you just spent pages and days arguing that Goku will speed blitz?
Does he not speed blitz anymore 😂 I've got you arguing that he opens the fight with a rush in?
Or does he not do that now? Before you say basic knowledge, considering what I've just had to argue with you supposedly knowledgeable comic fans, I am confident the general population of earth have no idea who he is and what he does lmao.
So is he punching or is he using blasts to create a giant crater 😂 hard to keep up.
Edit: btw, the energy blast wouldn't affect anything around Aquarian:
Originally posted by carver9Seems like it could work.
How do you think the null field will work against Goku, Galan? Obviously DB universe work different than DC and Marvel. The more powerful you are, the less hax abilities work against you. Power override hax in DB whereas in Marvel and DC, abilities just work.
Ki, energy, PL... They're all the same thing in DB. So as mentioned, if Aquarian's null-field dropped Goku's PL down to 1, then he'd essentially become weaker than your average human.
Remember that you're also using a very specific version of Goku here. Back then, he wasn't nearly as haxx as he would become in DBZ/DBS.
