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Originally posted by DeadpoolXXX
how large is namek though? because unless it's at least 7 times bigger than earth, then it's not a light speed feat.

The only evidence(if you can even call it that) we ever got was King Cold stating that Earth was "such a small planet":
https://ibb.co/GH6PwX5

And Dodoria stating that Namek "isn't such a big planet":
https://ibb.co/nDD8Zn4

Some people have interpreted that as: "not too big" (Namek) > "really small" (Earth)... Which could very well be true, but it still gives us nothing definitive regarding Namek's actual size.

Aside from that, the only 'calcs' you'll see out there are entirely fanmade headcanon. ie. some people will use scans like these to "prove"(via pixel counting, lol) that Namek is actually star-sized or w/e... But that is obviously a huge asspull, and holds no real validity.

You'll also see people argue that since 1st form Freeza destroyed planet Vegeta with no discernible effort, Namek must have been vastly larger because it took a charged attack from 4th form Freeza to destroy its core(which eventually destroyed the planet itself.) However, the actual reason why Freeza didn't instantly vape Namek was provided in the story:
https://ibb.co/vX5zVT8
Freeza held back against Namek because he was worried about getting caught in the subsequent explosion(even though he obviously would have survived)... But he didn't have to worry about that when he destroyed Vegeta, because he was already outside the blast radius. This proves nothing.

Another thing you might see people argue is that Namek must have been waaaay bigger than Earth, because it took some of the Z Fighters several hours to fly from one location to the other:
https://ibb.co/WVRQg4M
But it's worth pointing out that they were suppressing their ki(and therefore overall power) most of the time, as to avoid being detected by scouters. This also proves nothing.

At the end of the day, I feel like Earth is typically *the* measuring stick when it comes to the comparative sizes of fictional planets... So unless an 'alien' world is explicitly stated to be larger(or smaller) than Earth, we can generally assume they are intended to be about the same size. /shrug

Originally posted by MrMind
yep,

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Double post: so I did a bit of research, and this link:
https://www.kanzenshuu.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=17556&p=475452

Said that the distance from Satan City to Gohan's house is 1000km. That's a scale I can use. From the map above, the entirety of East City (East Capitol?) looks to be ~0.5 that, so about 500 km across. That's the dark green blob.

That was my calc for distances, we could upscale that? That would be DB Earth, I guess.

^ I believe that map is from the Daizenshuu, so it is valid in terms of giving us a rough layout of DB Earth's geography and whatnot. However, I'm not sure if it was necessarily intended to be to scale?

For example, we know that Red Ribbon HQ and the site of Korin's Tower(both are located in the left middle section of the map/grid) are 2,300km apart:
https://ibb.co/6r9H1TK

So if you scale that distance, then apply it to the entirety of the planet, I *think*(could be wrong) you end up with an Earth that is something like 3x larger than our own(which implies that the moon would have to be upscaled as well.)

Dunno, I've just never been a fan of relying on pixel-counting to try and prove a point, but some people(particularly in the DB/manga community) do it a LOT when it comes to calc'ing things like speed, distance, and size. Personally, I don't think any fictional writer counts on their [teenage] audience to analyze specific drawings with that level of hyper-scrutiny in order to come up with their own conclusions, but I digress... /shrug

Now if the map IS to scale, that's obviously a different story.

Originally posted by Galan007
Namek's size was never directly referenced in canon.

The only evidence(if you can even call it that) we ever got was King Cold stating that Earth was "such a small planet":
https://ibb.co/GH6PwX5

And Dodoria stating that Namek "isn't such a big planet":
https://ibb.co/nDD8Zn4

Some people have interpreted that as: "not too big" (Namek) > "really small" (Earth)... Which could very well be true, but it still gives us nothing definitive regarding Namek's actual size.

Aside from that, the only 'calcs' you'll see out there are entirely fanmade headcanon. ie. some people will use scans like these to "prove"(via pixel counting, lol) that Namek is actually star-sized or w/e... But that is obviously a huge asspull, and holds no real validity.

You'll also see people argue that since 1st form Freeza destroyed planet Vegeta with no discernible effort, Namek must have been vastly larger because it took a charged attack from 4th form Freeza to destroy its core(which eventually destroyed the planet itself.) However, the actual reason why Freeza didn't instantly vape Namek was provided in the story:
https://ibb.co/vX5zVT8
Freeza held back against Namek because he was worried about getting caught in the subsequent explosion(even though he obviously would have survived)... But he didn't have to worry about that when he destroyed Vegeta, because he was already outside the blast radius. This proves nothing.

Another thing you might see people argue is that Namek must have been waaaay bigger than Earth, because it took some of the Z Fighters several hours to fly from one location to the other:
https://ibb.co/WVRQg4M
But it's worth pointing out that they were suppressing their ki(and therefore overall power) most of the time, as to avoid being detected by scouters. This also proves nothing.

At the end of the day, I feel like Earth is typically *the* measuring stick when it comes to the comparative sizes of fictional planets... So unless an 'alien' world is explicitly stated to be larger(or smaller) than Earth, we can generally assume they are intended to be about the same size. /shrug

also what is a good frame of reference for planet sizes in db? because if earth is tiny and namek isn't that big, then what would a medium or large planet look like in their eyes?

Originally posted by Galan007
^ I believe that map is from the Daizenshuu, so it is valid in terms of giving us a rough layout of DB Earth's geography and whatnot. However, I'm not sure if it was necessarily intended to be to scale?

For example, we know that Red Ribbon HQ and the site of Korin's Tower(both are located in the left side middle section of the map/grid) are 2,300km apart:
https://ibb.co/6r9H1TK

So if you scale that distance, then apply it to the entirety of the planet, I *think*(could be wrong) you end up with an Earth that is something like 3x larger than our own(which implies that the moon would have to be upscaled as well.)

Dunno, I've just never been a fan of relying on pixel-counting to try and prove a point, but some people(particularly in the DB/manga community) do it a LOT when it comes to calc'ing things like speed, distance, and size. Personally, I don't think any fictional writer counts on their [teenage] audience to analyze specific drawings with that level of hyper-scrutiny in order to come up with their own conclusions, but I digress... /shrug

Now if the map IS to scale, that's obviously a different story.

Sounds like I'd have taken your lunch money in HS, tbh 👆

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hit vs goku black

who wins

Originally posted by DeadpoolXXX
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also what is a good frame of reference for planet sizes in db? because if earth is tiny and namek isn't that big, then what would a medium or large planet look like in their eyes?

The only other possible comparison might be the Super Dragon Balls themselves. They were each described as being "the size of a planet"... And since we know the exact diameter of the Super DBs, that might give us a rough guesstimate as to what the average-sized planet looks like on a universal scale:
https://ibb.co/tPZDZvR

So the Super Dragon Balls, which are presumably the size of average planets, are still over 37,000km in diameter... So about 3x the diameter of Earth.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Sounds like I'd have taken your lunch money in HS, tbh 👆

Originally posted by MrMind
hit vs goku black

who wins

Hit would destroy Goku Black imo. The only reason he didn't outright beat Goku and Vegeta in the tournament during the onset of the fight was due to the rules eliminating killing techniques. After the tournament, Hit became FAR more powerful and probably trained right away due to his fight with Goku.

IMO, besides Jiren, Hit is the Ultimate character. Can stop time at super speed (opponent won't even know it's coming), anytime he wants, and beat you to death while time is stopped.

A speedster who can stop time does sound pretty powerful.

Originally posted by carver9
Hit would destroy Goku Black imo.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
A speedster who can stop time does sound pretty powerful.

I can't remember what happened first, the Goku Black fights or Goku and Hit second fight. If Goku and Hit second fight happened after the the Black run, then I would give Hit the edge tbh.

How did Hit get to Universe 7 when he temp killed Goku?

Originally posted by carver9
I can't remember what happened first, the Goku Black fights or Goku and Hit second fight. If Goku and Hit second fight happened after the the Black run, then I would give Hit the edge tbh.

Originally posted by carver9
How did Hit get to Universe 7 when he temp killed Goku?

Originally posted by Galan007
Even SSR Black?

Hit is a beast, and easily one of the best original characters to come out of DBS. 👆

Who would you say could stop time and is a speedster in DC, Galan

Wonder Woman. 👆

Shenron - https://dragonball.fandom.com/wiki/Shenron
Porunga - https://dragonball.fandom.com/wiki/Porunga
Toronbo - https://dragonball.fandom.com/wiki/Toronbo

Which one is the strongest dragon?

Reported.

Originally posted by LordGod
Shenron - https://dragonball.fandom.com/wiki/Shenron
Porunga - https://dragonball.fandom.com/wiki/Porunga
Toronbo - https://dragonball.fandom.com/wiki/Toronbo

Which one is the strongest dragon?