!!!The Official Dragon Ball vs. Comics Thread!!!

Originally posted by LordGod
Shenron - https://dragonball.fandom.com/wiki/Shenron
Porunga - https://dragonball.fandom.com/wiki/Porunga
Toronbo - https://dragonball.fandom.com/wiki/Toronbo

Which one is the strongest dragon?

Even with the upgrades that Dende's given Shenron, he still seems to have more overall limitations than Porunga. That's why Porunga is #1 for me, in a nutshell.

Toronbo is harder to gauge because of his limited appearances. However, we saw him grant a total of three wishes, and they each had some kind of cap/limitation/drawback(which is why I'd put him in the last spot for now.)
-Wish #1: Bardock wished for his sonS(plural) to thrive.
--Limitations? Yes.
---Raditz was Freeza's slave for his entire life, and was killed in his 30s. I wouldn't call that "thriving."

-Wishes #2-3: Granolah and Gas each wished to become the most powerful being in the universe.
--Limitations? Yes.
---Toronbo can only make someone the most powerful being in the universe "apart from the Gods themselves." IOW, he cannot make someone more powerful than divine beings, like Beerus.
---Making someone that powerful also requires Toronbo to use/sacrifice a huge chunk of their lifespan.
---Despite their wishes, Granolah/Gas could still be surpassed by other mortals.

Tbh it's always seemed like DB uses the "bigger is better" rule when it comes to the size of the Balls and the corresponding power/potential of their respective Dragons (heh)... The Super DBs (planet-sized) > Namekian DBs (basketball-sized) > Earth DBs (baseball-sized) > Cerealian DBs (golfball-sized). Following that logic, the Demon Realm DBs should be =/> the Namekian set.

Originally posted by DeadpoolXXX
toronbo might not be the most powerful but he's definitely the best practical option because he can be speed summoned.

Every other set of Dragon Balls goes dormant for several months to a year before they can be used again. That's one limitation the Cerealian DBs don't have: they never go dormant and can be used again immediately after the previous wish was granted. Plus, there's only two of them to collect.

yep. some of the other dragon balls might have less limits on complicated wishes and grant more wishes per summon, but they turn to stone for months afterward.

any one of the z fighters with a radar could locate the 2 cerelian dragonballs in a few minutes and instantly resummon toronbo for another wish. so in the time the other db's would be unusable, you could have summoned toronbo thousands upon thousands of times.

Couldn't you just use the Super Dragonballs to wish for infinite wishes?

Have we even seen any limits with earth Dragonball? I can't remember any after the new ones were introduced.

Originally posted by LordGod
Couldn't you just use the Super Dragonballs to wish for infinite wishes?

Is it possible? Yes, it's been done. Is it practical? No, absolutely not.

Originally posted by carver9
Have we even seen any limits with earth Dragonball? I can't remember any after the new ones were introduced.

Aside from that, Shenron's previous limitations should still be intact.

Originally posted by carver9
Have we even seen any limits with earth Dragonball? I can't remember any after the new ones were introduced.

I also don't think he can kill someone more powerful then his creator, fundamentally alter someone more powerful then himself, grant the same wish twice, or resurrect the same person more then once.

Originally posted by Galan007
Super Shenron's wish-granting abilities are completely unbounded, so I suppose you could. The problem is that you first have to find all the Super DBs(which are scattered across TWO different universes)... Then you have to figure out a means of traveling to their locations(again, we're talking about crossing multiple universes here)... Then you have to somehow gather all of them in one spot(and remember, each one is 3x the diameter of Earth, so transporting them across universal distances might be problematic.)

Is it possible? Yes, it's been done. Is it practical? No, absolutely not.

^ Zamasu/Black first got the precise locations of the Super DBs from Zuno, then presumably teleported to each location, then presumably used KaiKai to teleport each DB to one area.

Could Zamas even teleport? I don't remember seeing him actually do that. Plus he wasn't officially a Supreme Kai, and DBS implied that instant teleportation was a Supreme Kai only thing.

I don't remember him teleporting either and he was still going through training, so he probably didn't get to that part.

What wish was grnated by the super dragonballs?

To revive all of the universes that was erased by Zeno. Android 17 made the wish. Sadly, if this wish wasnt made, Zeno was going to erase everyone iirc.

Originally posted by LordGod
Could Zamas even teleport? I don't remember seeing him actually do that. Plus he wasn't officially a Supreme Kai, and DBS implied that instant teleportation was a Supreme Kai only thing.

Originally posted by carver9
I don't remember him teleporting either and he was still going through training, so he probably didn't get to that part.

Aside from that, you would literally need to be a teleporter in order to find/transport/collect all the SDBs in a very short period of time, like Zamasu did. The KaiKai is likely what facilitated Zamasu's multiversal God-killing spree as well.

Originally posted by Parmaniac
What wish was grnated by the super dragonballs?

Wouldnt the wishes for Zamasu be non-canon to the Dragonballs in Goku timeline?

The wishes occurring in an alternate timeline doesn't make them non-canon.

why is tien not focused on more than he is?

the guy is a natural prodigy, has the training ethics of a saiyan, literally spends his entire life training, and his signature blast also happens to be one of the most powerful attacks in the whole story (no one but an ascended ssj could have stomped on semi perfect cell like that). the guy could be a legit asset but we hardly ever see him.

I thought about that not too long ago. Tien was the best character in DragonBall with so much potential. He mastered every move near immediate. His entire makeup was next level and they decided to make the character soft. Such a waste

By the Freeza saga, almost every non-Saiyan character stopped being relevant. The villains simply became way too powerful for the humans to handle, and without that added Saiyan haxx, they really have no way of approaching those levels naturally. The only humans who are even worth a damn anymore are my beloved Krillin, and sometimes Roshi... But unfortunately, they almost never add anything meaningful to the story.

Anyway, Tien realized that he was impossibly outmatched the moment he sensed the power of Freeza and SS1 Goku/Trunks. That's ultimately why Tien opted not to use the RoSaT in preparation for the Cell Games -- he knew that any gains he made in that time still wouldn't have affected the outcome at all. So unlike the Saiyans, Tien is no longer driven to become "the strongest", because he knows it isn't a possibility. Training just seems to be more of a leisure/zen activity for him these days. Aside from that, Tien's only real sparring partner would be Chiaotzu... Which isn't doing much for his power, to say the least.

Hell, even Piccolo's power only started being relevant again during the recent movie -- prior to that, he hadn't done anything notable since like the Cell saga. It would be nice if at least *one* of the OG humans were "upgraded" like that, but it'll never happen.

That's one way to get around the increasing power levels. Comics have to keep selling, so the way they get around it is with what battle boarders term 'PIS' - so Thor, despite being All father etc, gets low showings.
The alternative is not using him in comics, and Marvel will never allow it. For our purposes, then, the low showings should all be disregarded when arguing with anime/manga characters.

Who is the weakest comic character that can survive a Hakai from Beerus?