The intrigue behind Pope Francis' "bombshell" comments on same-sex civil unions

Originally posted by eThneoLgrRnae
You are of course entitled to your own opinion, squall. You might regret it on Judgment Day though (in fact, I'm also certain you will if you hold firm to that belief but that's your business).

I guess that’s fine. As a military man, I’ve travelled to a lot of places, and I’ve met plenty of people, and I’ve made friends with some, and serve with some.

At this moment, there are 2 soldiers in my Company that happens to be gay, as an NCO, its my job to train them and lead them into battle. Let’s say they happen to die serving their country, are you telling me they shouldn’t be allowed in heaven just because they are gay?

What about the sacrifices they choose to make so you can continue to live peacefully and free in this country?

What God turns his back on his children just because they were born attracted to the same sex?

Well, it's not really up to me is it, squall? That's God's call, not mine. I'm merely pointing out what the Bible says. If you choose not to believe in it then that's your right.

The Bible also says that anyone who calls upon the name of the Lord and believes the Gospel will be saved so as long as they are sincere about it then they should be saved regardless I would think.

The problem is that people who engage in behavior like that have probably already fallen a great deal away from God so it would be harder for them, imo, to be able to do that and be sincere about it. The more they engage in it the harder it will be for them to come back to the Lord.

That's my humble opinion on the matter.

I’d never have any wee wee up my butt, ever. Sodomy is gross.

Agreed.

I truly don’t understand why homosexual people find joy in “homosexual” identities. That’s like saying straight people should be proud of being straight.

Originally posted by eThneoLgrRnae

Funny how homosexuality among animals is almost nonexistant, isn't it?

Originally posted by Eon Blue
I truly don’t understand why homosexual people find joy in “homosexual” identities. That’s like saying straight people should be proud of being straight.

As far as I understand it a lot of it has to do with being marginalized and ostracized in their local communities. Especially in the past gay people were very much looked down upon and often even legally persecuted, and so to cling your identity, and find strength and community through it is a pretty natural thing.

Straight people of course don't have the same situation, yet you can certainly find, particularly men, who very much define themselves through their heterosexuality and their prowess in romantic and sexual endeavors with the people they are attracted too.

I guess generally people just treasure the things they identify with, and that is often made stronger by facing threats, whether they are real or perceived, from outside forces. You can, for example, see that in gamers, who feel they are under attack from feminists or "SJW" and lash out at this perceived threat.

Originally posted by NemeBro
It's not, you're just an ignorant retard. 👆

Originally posted by Artol
As far as I understand it a lot of it has to do with being marginalized and ostracized in their local communities. Especially in the past gay people were very much looked down upon and often even legally persecuted, and so to cling your identity, and find strength and community through it is a pretty natural thing.

Straight people of course don't have the same situation, yet you can certainly find, particularly men, who very much define themselves through their heterosexuality and their prowess in romantic and sexual endeavors with the people they are attracted too.

I guess generally people just treasure the things they identify with, and that is often made stronger by facing threats, whether they are real or perceived, from outside forces. You can, for example, see that in gamers, who feel they are under attack from feminists or "SJW" and lash out at this perceived threat.

Let's look at sex for example. Sex between a man and woman is something that in most societies is celebrated in both religious and secular contexts. For young people it's a rite of passage and a badge of honor, for adults it's the sancitified as at the core of a stable marriage, in art and music it's flaunted and glorified. And of course, capitalism has co-opted sex to sell you everything from clothes to cologne.

Sex between two men though? In the wrong circles you'd be accused of "sodomy", described as "disgusting" "unnatural" and generally viliified as a sinful little creature (I'm talking about these circles of course.) At best if you talk about having sex with a man around a group of typical straights you'd get some uncomfortable looks. And when gay people do flaunt their sexuality in the same way straight people do, we are told to "think of the children" and "keep it to the bedroom."

"Pride" in that context is therefore adopting the same kind of sex positivity that straight people enjoy as the norm, but gays are routinely denied. It's not about "clinging" to our identities, it's about feeling comfortable and happy in your own skin.

Originally posted by DarthAloysius
Straight people do take "pride" in their sexuality, it's just so ubiqituious that it's invisible. You take it for granted.

Let's look at sex for example. Sex between a man and woman is something that in most societies is celebrated in both religious and secular contexts. For young people it's a rite of passage and a badge of honor, for adults it's the sancitified as at the core of a stable marriage, in art and music it's flaunted and glorified. And of course, capitalism has co-opted sex to sell you everything from clothes to cologne.

Sex between two men though? In the wrong circles you'd be accused of "sodomy", described as "disgusting" "unnatural" and generally viliified as a sinful little creature (I'm talking about these circles of course.) At best if you talk about having sex with a man around a group of typical straights you'd get some uncomfortable looks. And when gay people do flaunt their sexuality in the same way straight people do, we are told to "think of the children" and "keep it to the bedroom."

"Pride" in that context is therefore adopting the same kind of sex positivity that straight people enjoy as the norm, but gays are routinely denied. It's not about "clinging" to our identities, it's about feeling comfortable and happy in your own skin.

Yeah, that is true, it's sort of what I was trying to get at on a personal level with people taking "pride" in their sexuality, but you are of course right that on a societal level heterosexuality is celebrated, one way we can see it is the shoehorning in of heterosexual relationships in so many of movies and TV shows even if it is unnecessary or even counter to the narrative.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
Nah, he's trolling the board Neme, it's a persona and his efriends here are well aware of that.

Nope, what I said was the truth. Homosexual activity among animals is extremely rare if it exists at all and I mainly meant specifically anal sex among animals. Show me proof of animals engaging in that. Put up or shut up, pooty..

And I don't respond to nemebro's trolling nonsense anymore. I rarely bother to even read his/her posts.

He/she is an even bigger troll than you are. At least you don't go around telling people to go kill themselves as nemebro has done in multiple occasions. He/she is a despicable human being.

Originally posted by Artol
Yeah, that is true, it's sort of what I was trying to get at on a personal level with people taking "pride" in their sexuality, but you are of course right that on a societal level heterosexuality is celebrated, one way we can see it is the shoehorning in of heterosexual relationships in so many of movies and TV shows even if it is unnecessary or even counter to the narrative.

I truly don’t understand why homosexual people find joy in “homosexual” identities. That’s like saying straight people should be proud of being straight.

That's true.

Gay people really like to shove their gayness down societies throat.

And then they whine about bigotry.

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
"reeeeeeeeee"

Originally posted by eThneoLgrRnae
He/she is an even bigger troll than you are. At least you don't go around telling people to go kill themselves as nemebro has done in multiple occasions. He/she is a despicable human being.

Originally posted by eThneoLgrRnae
Hey, loser.... f*** off. You're a nobody who isn't worth my time, pussy. Do humanity a favor and go kill yourself. 👆

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@ethneo

Do you think the Government should get out of the marriage business altogether?

Originally posted by wxyz
@ethneo

Do you think the Government should get out of the marriage business altogether?

I do.

Move it all to civil unions (which opens up the doors for far broader social contracts than just marriage). Let "marriage" be a purely private endeavor but call it all 'civil unions' or 'social contracts.'

For the most part I agree with ddm on that.

Originally posted by dadudemon
I do.

Move it all to civil unions (which opens up the doors for far broader social contracts than just marriage). Let "marriage" be a purely private endeavor but call it all 'civil unions' or 'social contracts.'

I think that is a pretty good solution in some ways. Anyone can then call their union a marriage and their union event a wedding freely as they choose. The one thing I think is difficult to quantify is the societal acceptance of these union. Saying that gay people are also married gives it a legitimacy that might sadly be missing in a homophobic community for just “civil unions”.

Originally posted by dadudemon
I do.

Move it all to civil unions (which opens up the doors for far broader social contracts than just marriage). Let "marriage" be a purely private endeavor but call it all 'civil unions' or 'social contracts.'

👆