Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Disagree. Whilst he has possession and his darkness control, he uses it to fight in a physical manner (creating swords, dragons etc).Physical attacks such as punches and energy attacks still affect him. I admit that my definition of 'physical' may jar with some, but I meant energy attacks are physical in the sense that they affect their target physically.
He doesn't go intangible, or matter manips, or uses telepathy, or telekinesis etc. When he travels, he doesn't use portals or teleports etc - he creates a giant dragon for him to physically ride on/ride in. No time powers, no DNA manip, no soul powers, nothing weird like that. Perhaps the word I am looking for is....exotic? But most of these powers are so common, exotic sounds wrong.
He's not Manhattan, or the Living Tribunal, or Eternity, or anyone like that who has no speed feats, yet I am not going to say Batman punches them out (or does he.....?)
But yeah. Am surprised you used that Necrosword showing.
Superman's been tagged by slow bricks, repeatedly. speed is irrelevant here
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Superman's been tagged by slow bricks, repeatedly. speed is irrelevant here
The Flash/Relevant Character X will use, at a bare minimum, the least amount of speed/Relevant Power, that he is capable of using under average/normal circumstances, required to not lose the fight, or get so badly injured that it will most-likely cost him the fight. Every superhero or supervillain has a minimum amount of effort and competence that they will utilise going in to a fight. For villains that's usually a higher starting point because they like to not hold back, sure, but the heroes aren't going to be stupid either. They are not going to self-sabotage, and they will not let pride, ego or forgetting they have a way to win the fight to get in the way.
Forum rules. Your constant insisting doesn't change it.
In a forum fight, if Superman is fighting a character who is a big threat (like Knull is) he wouldn't stand there and let himself be hit. Yes, that ignores comics, but it is specifically ignoring the comics with PIS.
Nor would he hold his speed back against a big threat.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
PIS. If they are slow, then plot dictated they hit him.Forum rules. Your constant insisting doesn't change it.
In a forum fight, if Superman is fighting a character who is a big threat (like Knull is) he wouldn't stand there and let himself be hit. Yes, that ignores comics, but it is specifically ignoring the comics with PIS.
Nor would he hold his speed back against a big threat.
But why is it PIS?
Is it PIS if I post more showings of Superman getting tagged than out reacting?
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Disagree. Whilst he has possession and his darkness control, he uses it to fight in a physical manner (creating swords, dragons etc).Physical attacks such as punches and energy attacks still affect him. I admit that my definition of 'physical' may jar with some, but I meant energy attacks are physical in the sense that they affect their target physically.
He doesn't go intangible, or matter manips, or uses telepathy, or telekinesis etc. When he travels, he doesn't use portals or teleports etc - he creates a giant dragon for him to physically ride on/ride in. No time powers, no DNA manip, no soul powers, nothing weird like that. Perhaps the word I am looking for is....exotic? But most of these powers are so common, exotic sounds wrong.
He's not Manhattan, or the Living Tribunal, or Eternity, or anyone like that who has no speed feats, yet I am not going to say Batman punches them out (or does he.....?)
But yeah. Am surprised you used that Necrosword showing.
So if the battle is in a comic, Knull wins?
Also, are you exaggerating the PIS rule? A mod stated the Knull probably wins.
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
But why is it PIS?Is it PIS if I post more showings of Superman getting tagged than out reacting?
Yes.
And it is PIS, because of your own words - he gets tagged by SLOWER bricks.
If they are slower, how could they tag him?
There are two answers to him being hit:
1. He couldn't avoid the attacks. They are just that fast.
2. He COULD stop/avoid the attacks.
If statement 2 applies (which you acknowledge is true, because you said they were slower), then why, if he could avoid the attacks, was he hit??
Answer:
A: He let himself be hit, because he enjoys getting hit and loves the pain.
B: He let himself be hit, he doesn't enjoy it, but he wants to see how it feels
C: PIS.
Now, Answer A is definitely not right. B is out the window due to the forum ruling I quoted. So that leaves C.
And yes, it gets ignored. No matter how many times it occurs.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Yes.And it is PIS, because of your own words - he gets tagged by SLOWER bricks.
If they are slower, how could they tag him?
There are two answers to him being hit:
1. He couldn't avoid the attacks. They are just that fast.
2. He COULD stop/avoid the attacks.If statement 2 applies (which you acknowledge is true, because you said they were slower), then why, if he could avoid the attacks, was he hit??
Answer:
A: He let himself be hit, because he enjoys getting hit and loves the pain.
B: He let himself be hit, he doesn't enjoy it, but he wants to see how it feels
C: PIS.Now, Answer A is definitely not right. B is out the window due to the forum ruling I quoted. So that leaves C.
And yes, it gets ignored. No matter how many times it occurs.
Problem is Superman doesn't let himself get hit, he's bloodlusted in almost every encounter hes tagged in it
Originally posted by TheHulkster
So if the battle is in a comic, Knull wins?Also, are you exaggerating the PIS rule? A mod stated the Knull probably wins.
Oh, you two.
Let him come in and I will convince him. I am not exaggerating the PIS rule, and nor am I afraid to debate him. You want to use him as a catspaw, and stand back in the hopes that I would argue with him and get banned?
Nah. I don't and won't get banned over this.
In a comic, Batman can punch Knull out. Knull could punch Batman out. Either/or.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Yes.And it is PIS, because of your own words - he gets tagged by SLOWER bricks.
If they are slower, how could they tag him?
There are two answers to him being hit:
1. He couldn't avoid the attacks. They are just that fast.
2. He COULD stop/avoid the attacks.If statement 2 applies (which you acknowledge is true, because you said they were slower), then why, if he could avoid the attacks, was he hit??
Answer:
A: He let himself be hit, because he enjoys getting hit and loves the pain.
B: He let himself be hit, he doesn't enjoy it, but he wants to see how it feels
C: PIS.Now, Answer A is definitely not right. B is out the window due to the forum ruling I quoted. So that leaves C.
And yes, it gets ignored. No matter how many times it occurs.
All of this is wrong, Superman doesn't hold back. you're trying to encompass one statement over the entirety of the character and it's bogus if I asked you to prove he held back in a certain fight you'd be stuck trying to prove it. you can't hold back because if he's the last line of defense the planet mind as well be destroyed because I tell you what his opponents ain't holding back so what's the point in getting your ass kicked if you can potentially end a threat in moments instead of a drawn out affair? Make it make sense. Superman gets tagged because he gets tagged, not because of "PIS" that's a cop out
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
All of this is wrong, Superman doesn't hold back. you're trying to encompass one statement over the entirety of the character and it's bogus if I asked you to prove he held back in a certain fight you'd be stuck trying to prove it. you can't hold back because if he's the last line of defense the planet mind as well be destroyed because I tell you what his opponents ain't holding back so what's the point in getting your ass kicked if you can potentially end a threat in moments instead of a drawn out affair? Make it make sense. Superman gets tagged because he gets tagged, not because of "PIS" that's a cop out
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I really hope you're only pretending to be that wrong.
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Except That isn't how it happened in 616 either, it was the Alpha/Omega object which exploded with all of the mass required for the universe to function, Celestials come way before as they were with the First Firmamentdifferent origins but same effects etc
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Oh, you two.Let him come in and I will convince him. I am not exaggerating the PIS rule, and nor am I afraid to debate him. You want to use him as a catspaw, and stand back in the hopes that I would argue with him and get banned?
Nah. I don't and won't get banned over this.
In a comic, Batman can punch Knull out. Knull could punch Batman out. Either/or.
I never saw battle debates as about what could happen but more of what would most likely happen based on what the comics show. What would most likely happen in a comic regarding this battle?
Originally posted by Magnon
The Knull explosion and our Big Bang have been shown to be fundamentally different and you have already admitted they are different. If, despite that, you believe their effect on Knull would be the same, the burden of proof is on you.
Fundamentally different by method but they have the same effects, the same mass dispersed out etc