Who is more powerful than the 616 Infinity Gauntlet?

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
I can read perfectly. The difference is i read and take into consideration the whole scan and not just a selective out of context part that i can swing to support my agenda 😆

Nope, its obvious you can't read for shit.

The end part of the sentence is "It came from a question. Was born in the fire of our need to understand"

The light of creation came from the entity.

So as i stated previously, the question was what generated the spark. The Alien Entity states that explicitly so you are in no position to say otherwise.

Nope, he actually says "let there be light" which creates the big bang. No phoenix force in sight.

Reed then has it confirmed by the Alien Entity that this question was merely the spark/trigger for the Big Bang:

https://postimg.cc/ppnXnd9t

Nope, he created the light which started the big bang. Again, no phoenix force in the sight.

Conclusively yet another trigger and ZERO. Let me repeat ZERO reference to any being taking the role of embodiment of the energies of creation. So the evidence doesnt do what you need it do.

Nope, actual big bang occurred with zero phoenix force sightings. Your desperation is palpable.

Furthermore as i revealed earlier today this one off interpretation of a trigger for the Big Bang was retconned anyway. So its completely useless evidence.

This retconned the earlier FF 522 theories by Reed. Further retcons are meaningless regarding FF 522 statement.

You try so hard and yet [B]FAIL at every turn ✅ [/B]

😂

My question remains the same again, let's see Phoenix actually creating a big bang, eh?

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
I post it because it highlights the point that a generic depiction of the Big Bang occurring doesn't need to mention the name Phoenix Force just like a depiction of the 616 universe doesnt need to mention Eternitys name unless the stories about him.

Of course it does.

Its already stated in continuity multiple times that Phoenix is the embodiment of the Big Bang/Energies of creation so why would the Phoenix have to get a shoutout for every depiction of a Big Bang if the story isnt a Phoenix story? bangin

Nope, retconned in FF 531 and any further depictions of the big bang where there is zero mention of that space turkey.

The quote i keep posting is a reminder of this point, a reminder that you keep saying the same countered shit and instead of showing the forum the evidence you need to show, (AN EXPLICIT REFERENCE TO A NEW ENTITY BEING ASSIGNED AS EMBODIMENT OF THE BIG BANG/ENERGIES OF CREATION) you keep repeating the same strategy showing multiple different triggers.

We're still waiting 😱

Running away so soon with one question? I like it.

My question remains the same again, let's see Phoenix actually creating a big bang, eh?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Nope, its obvious you can't read for shit.

The light of creation came from the entity.

Nope, he actually says "let there be light" which creates the big bang. No phoenix force in sight.

Nope, he created the light which started the big bang. Again, no phoenix force in the sight.

Nope, actual big bang occurred with zero phoenix force sightings. Your desperation is palpable.

This retconned the earlier FF 522 theories by Reed. Further retcons are meaningless regarding FF 522 statement.

😂

My question remains the same again, let's see Phoenix actually creating a big bang, eh?

Bro, he states on panel explicitly that the light was generated by his question and that it was merely a spark that triggered the Big Bang.

You may look at the art and interpret it in a way that suits your agenda, but unfortunately for you, the character dialog spells out conclusively whats going on.

Your contrary opinion means nothing in light of conclusive on panel statement. Accept that and move on 🙂

Furthermore its no longer continuity. So this is a pointless exercise. 😄

Originally posted by abhilegend

My question remains the same again, let's see Phoenix actually creating a big bang, eh?

Your question is irrelevant as the Phoenix is the Big Bang. Its not its own creator. So why would i prove something that i havent claimed you imbecile? 😆

Completely lost the plot. bangin

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Bro, he states on panel explicitly that the light was generated by his question and that it was merely a spark that triggered the Big Bang.

Dotard, the light is created inside him and it becomes the light of creation. At least you conceded that big bang is his light. Good, good.

You may look at the art and interpret it in a way that suits your agenda, but unfortunately for you, the character dialog spells out conclusively whats going on.

Ha, as if you can read at all.

Your contrary opinion means nothing in light of conclusive on panel statement. Accept that and move on 🙂

LMAO, you conceded again that the light is created inside him. That's what sixth concession in this thread?

Furthermore its no longer continuity. So this is a pointless exercise. 😄

It is in continuity. It is apocryphal, but so is FF 522 which you keep posting.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Dotard, the light is created inside him and it becomes the light of creation. At least you conceded that big bang is his light. Good, good.

Ha, as if you can read at all.

LMAO, you conceded again that the light is created inside him. That's what sixth concession in this thread?

It is in continuity. It is apocryphal, but so is FF 522 which you keep posting.

Bro. Its stated on panel what it is and how it came to be.

Your contrary opinion means nothing.

You are not a Marvel writer or editor you deluded guy 😆

Youve been catching these hands throughout this thread for near 2 weeks straight. I think we're starting to see the mental effects 😆

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Your question is irrelevant as the Phoenix is the Big Bang. Its not its own creator. So why would i prove something that i havent claimed you imbecile?

So you are saying Phoenix is big bang after denying saying it, huh? You said here that Phoenix is the energies of the big bang gained sentience after the big bang occurred.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
[B]You are losing here horribly.

Responding to my points with "retconned" and "drivel" whilst failing to counter said points is very telling Abhi-TallTales.

I've had you on life support from the get-go and I’m dispelling your myths and misconceptions left, right and centre. 

Show me one place in this thread where I’ve said the Phoenix created the Big Bang? 😖hifty:

I’ve said throughout that it is the Big Bang energies that gains sentience after the Big Bang event thus reconciling your struggle point related to the handbook saying the Phoenix Force was reborn following the Big Bang event.

You showing various ways the Big Bang is triggered, does not equate to a retcon of what those Big Bang energies are.

Comic books regularly reference or depict universes, realities or 616 as a generic universe without making reference to Eternity, that doesn't mean we don't acknowledge that Eternity is the embodiment of said universe, especially where it’s stated in continuity. The same applies for the Phoenix Force. It has been stated to be the Big Bang multiple times, therefore unless a stoty is about the Phoenix, then there is no need to reference the Phoenix with every depiction of the Big Bang. Continuity already states that the Big Bang would later form sentience and manifest as the Phoenix 😄

So now after that, Phoenix is big bang, gained sentience after big bang, embodiment of big bang, mother, father, whatever of big bang, based solely on one statement from Reed Richards and we actually never see it on panel.

I'd laugh if I didn't know you were serious.

Completely lost the plot. [/B]

You are just a troll at this point.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Bro. Its stated on panel what it is and how it came to be.

Nope, you simply can't read at this point.

Your contrary opinion means nothing.

My opinion is backed by comics.

You are not a Marvel writer or editor you deluded guy 😆

I own you at this point. Get off my forum.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Youve been catching these hands throughout this thread for near 2 weeks straight. I think we're starting to see the mental effects 😆

You are just a troll at this point.

Originally posted by abhilegend
So you are saying Phoenix is big bang after denying saying it, huh? You said here that Phoenix is the energies of the big bang gained sentience after the big bang occurred.

So now after that, Phoenix is big bang, gained sentience after big bang, embodiment of big bang, mother, father, whatever of big bang, based solely on one statement from Reed Richards and we actually never see it on panel.

I'd laugh if I didn't know you were serious.

You are just a troll at this point.

You see it visually in that very scan that youve just posted and ive discussed it in length throughout this thread. I will not let you deflect from your responsibility to provide evidence.

Please provide a in continuity scan of another entity being stated to be the Big Bang or energies of creation?

You have until 2pm Boxing Day then your 24hrs is up and you forfeit.

The forums waiting 😱

The many flip flops of GS regarding big bang/phoenix:

What you failed to pick up on is that following the Big Bang in Knulls memories, he was falling for EONS as a result of the explosion. It was later after said eons that the Celestials emerged and started filling up the space with planets.
As we know from continuity, the Phoenix Force is the Big Bang:

Phoenix Force is the big bang.

Wait, phoenix force is the sentience of the big bang.

Phoenix is both sentience and big bang at once.

Phoenix is the expansion of space and big bang

Phoenix is embodiment of big bang

Phoenix is again big bang

Phoenix is now a manifestation of the big bang

Nope, its again sentience of the big bang

Nope, its just energy of the big bang and it gains sentience after the big bang

Nope, it is embodiment of the big bang

Whew.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
You see it visually in that very scan that youve just posted and ive discussed it in length throughout this thread. I will not let you deflect from your responsibility to provide evidence.

Wait, you said that you don't see it but later said in another issue just now, and now you see it visually?

Stay consistent your bitchiness.

Please provide a in continuity scan of another entity being stated to be the Big Bang or energies of creation?

Already did, multiple times. Alien Entity, Alpha/Omega, Entropy. Should I bring sise-neg as well?

Here you go, Strange surviving big bang which was Sise-Neg's creation is again referenced.

You have until 2pm Boxing Day then your 24hrs is up and you forfeit.

The forums waiting 😱

Heh, who said I am going to play by your rules idiot? You want to leave the forum by 2 PM, **** off.

At this point, why the heck not?

Confirmed again by Living Tribunal in Avengers Loki Unleashed which came out in 2019.

https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Avengers:_Loki_Unleashed_Vol_1_1

Now what, your bitchiness?

And remember guys, GS has already confirmed multiple times that Sise Neg has created 616 universe with the big bang.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Created all of Marvel?

You mean 616 my friend. Have you read the issue or are you going by the words of another poster? 😖hifty:

The multiverse isn't created as a whole by one Big Bang. You have the core universe that is created and then independently from that creation event over time as a result of timeline manipulation, atomic vibrational differences, unnatural intervention etc alternate realities form from the core universe.

If you refer to Ultimate Fantastic Four, the N Zone storyline issues 13 to 18 you'll see the point laid out very clearly when Nihil talks of universes yet to form, newborn universes and older universes in the multiverse soon to die. So no Sise Neg did not create all Marvel.

Sise Neg went back through the 616 timeline absorbing all mystical energy as he went along. When he reached the beginning of time he unleashed this power back into the void resulting in the same 616. Not all of Marvel

That is a universal act. A universal power. Anyone that has shown beyond universal power such as Thanos absorbing the universal but also LT on top of that and the White Phoenix of Crown manipulating the atomic structure of the universe in the palm of her hand are according to on panel feats greater than Sise Neg.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
LT. Sise Neg gradually absorbed all the mystical might of the universe and then unleashed it all as the Big Bang. Its one thing to absorb all of that power but its another to demonstrate on panel that you can effectively wield that power with control and skill. He'd need to be able to do that to go one on one with LT.

With that in mind definitely LT.

Anyone who has demonstrated beyond universal power would be greater than Sise Neg.

Heart Of The Infinite
White Phoenix Of Crown

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Yep, his name backwards is genesis.

He travelled back in time absorbing all of the magical energy from his native time in the future right to the beginning of time before the Big Bang. He then released this energy as the Big Bang that created reality.

His story was yet another origin tale for Marvel. There are so many that i dont think we can give one person credit for the role. Many beings have the power to do this and have done it so we should just stop arguing about who is ultimately responsible for it.

What i would say though is the power wasnt inherently his. So i wouldnt place him as top tier. He just has an unlimited capacity for energy absorption, but in his natural state he was just a powerful sorcerer just beyond Dr Strange.

crylaugh

No taksie-backsie, your bitchiness.

hella fun thread to read

this is like old school kmc thread where people actually debate

kudos to both

Well, I'm debating. GS is just a butthurt troll.

Some more hilarity. Uncanny X Men straight up tells that Phoenix is merely spark which ignites the creation.

Do you know who supported it? Why our dear GalacticStorm.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/newreply.php?s=&action=newreply&postid=11644202

I'll leave this here.

And that scan is an example of what i was talking about before.

Here you have Uatu talking about how Phoenix ignites the Big Bang.

And yet you have accounts of Sise Neg, Genis and others doing it. We dont have to argue about who really is the ignition behind creation. Why cant it be all of them? Lets just leave it at that and debate about more interesting things.

crylaugh

Phoenix is just another trigger like Alien Entity, Alpha/Omega as confirmed by our dear GalacticStorm himself. What is he arguing for last 18 pages?

Dear oh dear.

Another day, another flop attempt by Abhi. 😆

Allow me to break things down for you and once again and in doing so highlight to the forum just why you are one of its most incompetent debaters. ✅

This post for example:

Originally posted by abhilegend
The many flip flops of GS regarding big bang/phoenix:

Phoenix Force is the big bang.

Wait, phoenix force is the sentience of the big bang.

Phoenix is both sentience and big bang at once.

Phoenix is the expansion of space and big bang

Phoenix is embodiment of big bang

Phoenix is again big bang

Phoenix is now a manifestation of the big bang

Nope, its again sentience of the big bang

Nope, its just energy of the big bang and it gains sentience after the big bang

Nope, it is embodiment of the big bang

Whew.

Remember 5 days ago on page 9 when I said this:

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
I was waiting for you to pull this one out your rectum.

Dear Abhi, did you know that the Phoenix firebird is not the sum total of the Phoenix Force. It is just an avatar, a representation of the Big Bang/the universal life-force within reality?

[B]”Feron called upon the Phoenix avatar”

”Tore out the portion of Phoenix Force that bonded his student to the avatar”

As ive shown throughout this thread, the Phoenix Force is the Big Bang. The sum and substance of all life/energy native to a universe. In its natural state it is formless and all-encompassing, ambient life as stated on panel.

However just like Eternity is the universe and yet requires an M-body/avatar to appear within himself, the Phoenix Force manifests within reality as the firebird avatar.
As you can read here Eternity is an Mbody avatar of the universe and as such isn’t power in itself this Mbody taps into power from that which it embodies, the chronal axis of the universe:

In the very same Alan Davis run of Excalibur that your scan comes from, it was explained very clearly in the Phoenixes battle with Galactus that the Phoenix firebird avatar is just an expression/representation of the universal life force within reality:

The reason these cosmic entities need to use M-Bodies or avatars is because if they gathered all their essence into one being, then that which they represent would not be found anywhere else within the universe. Therefore avatars which tap into their essence are necessary.

One of the reasons the Phoenix Force prefers to act through hosts instead of just carrying out its role as the firebird avatar is that as Galactus also explains the universe is a closed system. All energy and matter that is or ever will be within the universe is summed up in the Big Bang. Life feeds on life. There is nothing new created. Energy just transitions from state to state, being to being within that closed system. So when the Phoenix Force/Big Bang takes on sentience and becomes a life form itself within this closed universal system it is then an additional life form that thereby channelling life energy to sustain this firebird avatar instead of its power just being ambient energy there to facilitate future generations.

My true nature is without form touching all that lives

“My natural state is immortal of time and space yet beyond”

So the Phoenix is more than just whats represented within reality

“My presence here is sustained by life-force stolen from that which I celebrate”

The avatar cannibalizes life by existing. It is not power in itself, it taps into the universal life-force that is the Phoenix Force/Big Bang.

At the end of the run, the Phoenix Force gave up its avatar and allowed Rachel limited access to its power warning her not to draw on more universal life-force as it would be by having a sentient presence in reality itself.

Aww. Did I spoil your big moment? You thought you had me didn’t you?

Never 😱 [/B]

So right here you have an explanation supported by explicit on panel depictions of how the Phoenix Force is the Big Bang gone sentient and the firebird is merely its expression or embodiment within reality that can draw on its power
In the same way Eternity cant manifest all his being in one spot and walk around (as doing so would mean that which he embodies would not be found anywhere but within his manifestation) and must instead make use of MBodys which tap into the universes power, the Phoenix Force makes use of the firebird which then makes said firebird an embodiment of the Big Bang or an expression of the universal life force within reality.

So that way the Phoenix Force is both the Big Bang, its sentience and when referring to its firebird avatar it is the embodiment of the Big Bang.

Just like you’ll hear Eternity referred to as the sentience of the universe, the universe or that he embodies the universe.

Phoenix Force is the Big Bang gone sentient, it cannot sum itself up into one entity and run around in the universe as if it summed itself up there would be no universe to run around in, hence like the Abstracts make use of M bodys which then become embodiments, the Phoenix Force makes use of its Firebird avatar which then become an embodiment of the Big Bang that is the Phoenix Forces natural state.
And what a weird and illogical point to try and make out that being the sentience of the Big Bang is saying something different to the Phoenix Force being the Big Bang.
Lets take you as an example Abhi. What makes you, you is both your body and your sentience/active mind/personality. If you were to die and your body was just laid out on a slab would people stop referring to your body as being Abhi?

Of course not. The body and the sentience would both be Abhi.
So relating this to the Phoenix Force , the sentience is the driving force and the personality that pilots the firebird avatars, these embodiments of the Big Bang that is the Phoenixes greater self and natural state.
Zero flip flopping here.

I went through this in detail and yet here I am 5 days later having to repeat this very simple concept.

Given that I’ve covered this days ago, this can only be a demonstration of:

1)Short term memory deficiencies
2)Inability to comprehend anything more than the simplest ABC lines of argument
3)A sign that you have nothing of substance left to produce so like the big kid you are you’re recycling from your toybox and presenting it as some new discovery. You’re the giving the forum filler and it shows 😆

Originally posted by abhilegend
Wait, you said that you don't see it but later said in another issue just now, and now you see it visually?

Yet another demonstration of how you dont understand shit

What i said was that the next issue puts this scene into context.

Regardless ive demonstrated the entity was just a trigger, that he states himself he is just a trigger so you have ZERO justification to say otherwise and then try and use your contrary opinion as evidence here. Doesnt work like that kid ;

Originally posted by abhilegend
Stay consistent your bitchiness.

I'm hella consistent in my ability to highlight and dismantle fallacies and inaccuracies. Thats makes me your kryptonite superb*tch 😱