Dear oh dear.Another day, another flop attempt by Abhi. laughing
Allow me to break things down for you and once again and in doing so highlight to the forum just why you are one of its most incompetent debaters. yes
This post for example:
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You are so hilariously ignorant its laughable. You have been flip flopping this entire time and yet you have gall to post one post as if it erases your flip flopping? Pitiful.
Remember 5 days ago on page 9 when I said this:
Who can? You are so full of shit and flip flopping.
So right here you have an explanation supported by explicit on panel depictions of how the Phoenix Force is the Big Bang gone sentient and the firebird is merely its expression or embodiment within reality that can draw on its power
That's not what you said here.
Originally posted by GalacticStormIt is the trigger that sparks off reality, the fuel that keeps it going and the fire that ends it.
Guess you are going against your own arguments now?
In the same way Eternity cant manifest all his being in one spot and walk around (as doing so would mean that which he embodies would not be found anywhere but within his manifestation) and must instead make use of MBodys which tap into the universes power, the Phoenix Force makes use of the firebird which then makes said firebird an embodiment of the Big Bang or an expression of the universal life force within reality.
Phoenix has never manifested an M body before. Why start now?
So that way the Phoenix Force is both the Big Bang, its sentience and when referring to its firebird avatar it is the embodiment of the Big Bang.Just like you’ll hear Eternity referred to as the sentience of the universe, the universe or that he embodies the universe.
That's your fanfiction. On panel scans confirm that Phoenix is merely a nexus of psionic energy. Nothing more.
Phoenix Force is the Big Bang gone sentient, it cannot sum itself up into one entity and run around in the universe as if it summed itself up there would be no universe to run around in, hence like the Abstracts make use of M bodys which then become embodiments, the Phoenix Force makes use of its Firebird avatar which then become an embodiment of the Big Bang that is the Phoenix Forces natural state.
Fanfiction. Recent retcons confirm that Phoenix is just nexus for psionic energy.
And what a weird and illogical point to try and make out that being the sentience of the Big Bang is saying something different to the Phoenix Force being the Big Bang.
Of course it is different. You'll be illiterate to not know the difference.
Lets take you as an example Abhi. What makes you, you is both your body and your sentience/active mind/personality. If you were to die and your body was just laid out on a slab would people stop referring to your body as being Abhi?
Don't start with thought experiments with your juvenile understandings. I'll melt your brain if I start that.
Of course not. The body and the sentience would both be Abhi.
So relating this to the Phoenix Force , the sentience is the driving force and the personality that pilots the firebird avatars, these embodiments of the Big Bang that is the Phoenixes greater self and natural state.
Zero flip flopping here.
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You are so off the mark with sentience or the sense of self , its hilarious.
Don't try to go philosophical on me , you are not intelligent enough for that.
I went through this in detail and yet here I am 5 days later having to repeat this very simple concept.
Because I don't care for your fanfiction idiot.
Given that I’ve covered this days ago, this can only be a demonstration of:1)Short term memory deficiencies
2)Inability to comprehend anything more than the simplest ABC lines of argument
3)A sign that you have nothing of substance left to produce so like the big kid you are you’re recycling from your toybox and presenting it as some new discovery. You’re the giving the forum filler and it shows
What a ****ing idiot.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Yet another demonstration of how you dont understand shitWhat i said was that the next issue puts this scene into context.
What scans? Post the scans idiot.
Regardless ive demonstrated the entity was just a trigger, that he states himself he is just a trigger so you have ZERO justification to say otherwise and then try and use your contrary opinion as evidence here. Doesnt work like that kid ;
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
[B]It is the trigger that sparks off reality, the fuel that keeps it going and the fire that ends it.
You have said that the phoenix is also a trigger. What's the difference?
I'm hella consistent in my ability to highlight and dismantle fallacies and inaccuracies. Thats makes me your kryptonite superb*tch 😱 [/B]
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You aren't consistent in this thread rest alone other threads.
Nope. What you've shown the forum are multiple triggers for new Big Bangs.
You yourself have said that Phoenix is just another trigger in the past.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
It is the trigger that sparks off reality, the fuel that keeps it going and the fire that ends it.
No one is arguing that the Phoenix Force is the trigger. So stop trying to make it look like youre actually doing something by bringing evidence for a point that’s not being argued. You’re quite scarily arguing with yourself on that one bud. Seek medical hel
Because you are just running from your own posts.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
It is the trigger that sparks off reality, the fuel that keeps it going and the fire that ends it.
Escapism is strong in this one.
Oh i was waiting for this one. Im surprised you didnt pull Sise-Neg outta your arse from the start.Can you please tell the forum how going from the future to the beginning of time absorbing pre-existing ambient energy along the way and then re-emitting that energy, thereby triggering a new Big Bang stops the Phoenix Force from being said energies in continuity?
Phoenix is not mystical energy. Its just the nexus of psionic energy. That's what stops it from being that energy.
In the natural scheme of things the Phoenix Force is the formless energies of creation and its firebird is its embodiment. That is its stated role in the natural order. Stated in numerous official publications that follow Sise-Negs ancient and retconned 1974 appearance.
Nope, its just the nexus of psionic energy as confirmed in HOMU.
How is this proof that said ambient energies aren’t Phoenix as stated? He absorbed all of that pre-existing energy and then let it out thus creating a new Big Bang event.
Sise neg only absorbed mystical energy. Not phoenix which is just a nexus of psionic energy.
I think where youre going wrong is you keep dwelling on points that aren’t being argued. You seem to think im saying the Phoenix triggered the Big Bang or is the creator of reality. I’m not. I’m simply saying that Phoenix IS those ambient creation energies. Why is it so hard for you to see the difference?
Because it is retconned away and not the case anymore. Your refusal to see that is the reason we are stuck here.
He wasn't that energy in the 1st place. He didnt take on the role of being the Big Bang. He simply absorbed and made use of that pre-existing power, emitting it to trigger a new Big Bang event. One that has now been written out of continuity by the Alpha/Omega retcon.
You said differently yourself that SIse Neg IS the big bang which created 616 universe.
Originally posted by GalacticStormSise Neg went back through the 616 timeline absorbing all mystical energy as he went along. When he reached the beginning of time he unleashed this power back into the void resulting in the same 616. Not all of Marvel .
Also re-retconned by Avengers Loki Unleashed.
The Sis Neg incident happened in 1974. He is a long gone, ancient trigger of the Big Bang that has been retconned. Even if Marvel were to write him into continuity again, re-affirming his actions, it still wouldn’t change what the Phoenix is. It would just mean Sise Neg absorbed and made use of the power in order to remake reality in his own name.
Of course it does. Your ignorance means absolutely nothing. Phoenix is just the nexus of psionic energy, not mystical energy.
As Galactus stated a reality is finite. The Big Bang is all energy that will ever exist. Life is born using energy, life dies, and the energy is re-absorbed into the system thus facilitating new life. That ambient energy is the Phoenix Force.
Retconned, no longer relevant.
The Immortal, indestructible, mutable, PRIME universal force of life
Retconned, no longer relevant.
You can splinter it, disrupt it, absorb it, use it and it'll be just fine:self-replicates
Its as powerful as Deadpool? Shocking if true.
"Inextinguishable, mutable energy"
Its as powerful as any random skyfather?
absorbed, channelled and used as fuel and the avatar just reforms
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This is just a pathetic way of showing feats. Am I supposed to be impressed?
Sise-Neg absorbed the energies of creation and unleashed them thus re-creating reality using the energies that canon states is the Phoenix. This retconned relic was a glorified Phoenix host
Except Sise Neg has never been stated as a phoenix host, idiot. That's just your fanfiction.
I see someone’s been reading my past triumphs?
Triumphs? Haha.
What you have here ladies and gentlemen is a fan laughing
crylaugh
You are delusional.
What you also have here is a person of limited intelligence. One who deals with absolutes, black and whites and cannot reconcile or process anything in between. A simpleton.
Good job describing yourself.
In terms of role, many have been attributed to the Phoenix Force, the PRIME universal force of life, the perpetuator of the creation cycle and universal evolution amongst others.
The one that has been demonstrated on panel thus far is that it’s the energies of creation.
How so?
We have an on panel depiction of the Phoenix Force literally being the Big Bangs energies that would later regain sentience:
https://imgur.com/h5S3Up6
It just shows that the big bang occurred and Phoenix came into existence. Never stated that Phoenix is Big Bang. "This is how I came to be"
And we have the stars in the universe fading when Galactus attempted to disrupt the Phoenixes foothold in reality through its host:
And how does that make Phoenix big bang? It is only due to its connection with all life, not all energy and matter.
Those are the on panel demonstrations that the Phoenix Force is the energies of creation that power life. Said depictions/actual demonstrations coupled with writer captions and character testimony (Roma, Watcher, Reed Richards) explicitly stating the point that it is the Big Bang and that without the Phoenix there’d be a void makes it conclusive and not debatable until such times where its written into continuity that another character has been assigned this roe . Something you have failed to demonstrate thus far despite having near 2 weeks to do so and being an active participant in this debate.It has also been stated on panel by the Watcher and The Phoenix Force itself that it perpetuates the creation cycle, by triggering it and bringing about its end.
Watcher
You are rejecting the same scan when it says that Phoenix is just the trigger and now you are posting it as a proof that Phoenix is big bang? Can you be more two faced?
Anyway, retconned and irrelevant.
In the natural scheme of things this may very well be the case as:
1) whilst other entities have been given the role of being the universes end (e.g. Oblivion, Entropy and the Griever) no other entity has been given the role of being both the beginning and end so its not something that can be discounted solely on the fact that theres a overlap for part of one of its many stated responsibilities. Oblivion, Death and Entropys roles overlap for example but they achieve their goals in different ways.
Retconned and irrelevant.
) the only triggers we have had thus far have been artificial triggers such as Galans ship colliding with the Alpha/Omega, Sise-Negs time travelling and energy absorption, Reed and the Alien Entitys time travelling. So they don’t disprove it being the trigger as per the natural order i.e the way things are supposed to be. They are artificial triggers. However without 616 ending naturally anytime soon they are the only depictions of the Big Bang event being triggered, thus it’s not a role of the Phoenixes I bother to push these days as it’s not key to me having a strong argument as ive demonstrated with you.
So you are accepting that Phoenix is just a trigger like other triggers? What difference does it makes if it is artificial or natural (which Phoenix isn't, not anymore)?
After arguing for so many pages, you accepted that Phoenix is just another trigger of the big bang. Concession accepted.
The Watcher has said both that the Phoenixes power is what stops reality being a void and he has assigned it the role of perpetuator of the creation cycle.As you saw in the scans the Phoenix itself states that the power of creation are hers and that it is also the perpetuator of the creation cycle in the natural order of things.
So what did you think you were doing with this scan exactly? Awww sweetheart was this supposed to be your heavy hitter? Another “big” moment of yours?
Its just another addition to your loooong list of desperate ploys and failures.
Theres a difference between having multiple roles and responsibilities stated throughout continuity and a retcon. A scan where one of those roles is highlighted does not signify that the Phoenixes other roles and responsibilities are no longer within continuity.
You have failed to prove that a retcon exists anywhere beyond your troubled mind
You have already conceded that Phoenix is just another trigger for the big bang. This is now pointless bravado.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
That confusion comes from both misinterpretation of the events and not putting thigs into perspective.Reading this thread would address that. Posters put a lot of effort into coming up with their arguments and sharing knowledge, so no shortcuts, read, get up to date and see if your perspective changes afterwards.
We dont post for nothing 😉
Onslaught never faced the Phoenix Force. Onslaught faced Grey who utilized an astral representation of the Phoenix.
Following the Phoenix Saga Jean Grey was not a Phoenix host again until the New X-men era a good 7 years after Onslaught.
Your other queries are dealt with directly in this thread. Dont make ours a wasted effort. Read! 😂
2) the only triggers we have had thus far have been artificial triggers such as Galans ship colliding with the Alpha/Omega, Sise-Negs time travelling and energy absorption, Reed and the Alien Entitys time travelling. So they don’t disprove it being the trigger as per the natural order i.e the way things are supposed to be. They are artificial triggers. However without 616 ending naturally anytime soon they are the only depictions of the Big Bang event being triggered, thus it’s not a role of the Phoenixes I bother to push these days as it’s not key to me having a strong argument as ive demonstrated with you.
Get ****ed.
So what i've learnt from all of that waffle is either you dont actually read my posts or they go way over your head otherwise you wouldnt have just wasted your time.
There is not a single point that youve brought up that hasnt already been covered and sufficiently countered.
There will not be an endless back and forth when your posts and nutty interpretations are getting debunked and yet instead of posting viable counters youre just saying "no they havent" "retcon" "retcon!" 😆
All you have to do is produce TWO in continuity scans from two different comic books (thereby establishing it as a companywide element) both referring to the same character, both saying EXPLICITLY that this character is the energies of creation or the BIG BANG in 616
NO scans showing another being triggering the Big Bang
No scans of one of Phoenixes many roles being highlighted and trying to pass that off as evidence that the other roles have been written off.
Thats all youve had to do and youve failed with a whole 2 weeks to do it.
Achieve that and we'll move on.
Thats all 🙂
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
So what i've learnt from all of that waffle is either you dont actually read my posts or they go way over your head otherwise you wouldnt have just wasted your time.
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Get ****ed, your bitchniness. You lost, get over it.
There is not a single point that youve brought up that hasnt already been covered and sufficiently countered.
LMAO.
There will not be an endless back and forth when your posts and nutty interpretations are getting debunked and yet instead of posting viable counters youre just saying "no they havent" "retcon" "retcon!" 😆
Haha.
All you have to do is produce TWO in continuity scans from two different comic books (thereby establishing it as a companywide element) both referring to the same character, both saying EXPLICITLY that this character is the energies of creation or the BIG BANG in 616
Nope, retconned away.
NO scans showing another being triggering the Big Bang
No scans of one of Phoenixes many roles being highlighted and trying to pass that off as evidence that the other roles have been written off.Thats all youve had to do and youve failed with a whole 2 weeks to do it.
Achieve that and we'll move on.
Thats all 🙂
Hahahaha. You are on denial phase now.
I accept your concession of defeat. Remember, you started this and I promised that I will end it.
Accept my salute to you, your bitchiness.
fu
This still very much stands.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
So what i've learnt from all of that waffle is either you dont actually read my posts or they go way over your head otherwise you wouldnt have just wasted your time.There is not a single point that youve brought up that hasnt already been covered and sufficiently countered.
There will not be an endless back and forth when your posts and nutty interpretations are getting debunked and yet instead of posting viable counters youre just saying "no they havent" "retcon" "retcon!" 😆
All you have to do is produce TWO in continuity scans from two different comic books (thereby establishing it as a companywide element) both referring to the same character, both saying EXPLICITLY that this character is the energies of creation or the BIG BANG in 616
NO scans showing another being triggering the Big Bang
No scans of one of Phoenixes many roles being highlighted and trying to pass that off as evidence that the other roles have been written off.Thats all youve had to do and youve failed with a whole 2 weeks to do it.
Achieve that and we'll move on.
Thats all 🙂
Whenever youve cast doubt and asked for evidence in this thread, i came through and posted scans stating exactly what point i was trying to make.
The fact that you refuse to do the same is all the forum needs to see. 🙂
All you have to do is produce a couple scans from current Marvel continuity which state explicitly that another entity is the embodiment of the Big Bang/energies of creation in continuity.
Nothing thats open to interpretation. Nothing ambiguous.
The fact that you cant do so means i've won. 😄
Carry on with your retcon retcon bullsh*t.
The dragging you've received throughout this thread is testament not only to your inferiority as a debater but also to how weak your case is.
No attempts at a witty retort, just reply with a couple scans from different sources that explicitly state/show another entity has been given the role. 😖hifty:
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
This still very much stands.Whenever youve cast doubt and asked for evidence in this thread, i came through and posted scans stating exactly what point i was trying to make.
The fact that you refuse to do the same is all the forum needs to see. 🙂
All you have to do is produce a couple scans from current Marvel continuity which state explicitly that another entity is the embodiment of the Big Bang/energies of creation in continuity.
Nothing thats open to interpretation. Nothing ambiguous.
The fact that you cant do so means i've won. 😄
Carry on with your retcon retcon bullsh*t.
The dragging you've received throughout this thread is testament not only to your inferiority as a debater but also to how weak your case is.
No attempts at a witty retort, just reply with a couple scans from different sources that explicitly state/show another entity has been given the role. 😖hifty:
This is just saving face at this point. You got beaten, humiliated and forced to concede on literally every page here.
Go home, you are apocryphal now. Just like your phoenix scans.
Originally posted by abhilegend
😂This is just saving face at this point. You got beaten, humiliated and forced to concede on literally every page here.
Go home, you are apocryphal now. Just like your phoenix scans.
Fleeing when asked for evidence is evidence in itself kid. fear
My victory was assured from the 1st character I typed.
You tried it and you were found wanting. Change your name. Only thing legendary here was the depths of your incompetence. 😆
Your name now gets added to a long list of casualties. That GS reign wont let up 😱
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Fleeing when asked for evidence is evidence in itself kid. fear
I literally posted dozens of scans, you have barely posted a few.
My victory was assured from the 1st character I typed.You tried it and you were found wanting. Change your name. Only thing legendary here was the depths of your incompetence. 😆
Your name now gets added to a long list of casualties. That GS reign wont let up 😱
Take the pointless bravado and shove it up your ass for all I care. You lost, **** off.
Originally posted by abhilegend
I literally posted dozens of scans, you have barely posted a few.Take the pointless bravado and shove it up your ass for all I care. You lost, **** off.
Bro. You posted inconclusive scans alongside your interpretation of what you think they showed.
Ive posted scans that flat out state my point explicitly.
Learn the difference between explicit, conclusive evidence and ambiguous, open to interpretation sources. The latter is ALL your evidence amounts to.
I shouldnt have to explain such a basic concept to a grown ass man. Do better.
Come through with the evidence or retreat fear 😆
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Bro. You posted inconclusive scans alongside your interpretation of what you think they showed.Ive posted scans that flat out state my point explicitly.
Learn the difference between explicit, conclusive evidence and ambiguous, open to interpretation sources. The latter is ALL your evidence amounts to.
I shouldnt have to explain such a basic concept to a grown ass man. Do better.
Come through with the evidence or retreat fear 😆
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
The fact that you cannot produce [B]ANY in continuity scans that explicitly state what point youre trying to make whereas i can and have should be a big hint to you.Drop the pride, drop the ego and be a man. You win some, you lose some. 😄 [/B]
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
I love how you waited a couple days to reply to my post from several days ago.That was a ploy to make me think it was over and you were hoping id disappear again so you could rise from my shadow and claim a false victory. fear
Still here b*tch 😱 😆
You lost, **** off already.
Originally posted by abhilegend
What's the point of this feeble comeback? You've already conceded. Let it go, your bitchiness.You lost, **** off already.
You deluded imbecile.
Conceded where?! 😱
You're the one running from actually debating and resorting to replying to everything with "retcon, retcon, retcon, fanfiction" whilst failing to prove how with actual evidence 😆
1)Showing scans of others triggering the Big Bang doesnt equate to proving Phoenix isnt those Big Bang energies (as its stated on panel it is)
2)You showing a Big Bang event happening without the comic making reference to Phoenix doesnt equate to a retcon as
a) Said scans dont give the role to another being and thats what would be required for a retcon to have taken place
b) Omission in a non Phoenix story is not a retcon, anymore than a depiction of a generic universe without reference to Eternity would mean he is no longer embodiment and sentience of the universe.
3) Eternity is called the sentience of the universe, embodiment of the universe and embodiment of time. A scan referring to only one of those things would not equate to a retcon
a)as they are complementary and being one doesnt mean he cant be the other.
b) said responsibilities are mentioned throughout continuity
So why would it be different for the Phoenix Force? Because you have ZERO objectivity and are here to try to win and save face? 🙄
Your evidence SOLELY consists of points 1 to 3. You have ZERO evidence that states or shows explicitly that another being is the Big Bang in current continuity and thats what you need to prove a retcon.
The bravado, the calls of retcon demonstrate you are all show and completely devoid of substance. ✅
Share and highlight the truth and be humble and have the integrity to admit when youre wrong 👆
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
You deluded imbecile.Conceded where?! 😱
You're the one running from actually debating and resorting to replying to everything with "retcon, retcon, retcon, fanfiction" whilst failing to prove how with actual evidence 😆
1)Showing scans of others triggering the Big Bang doesnt equate to proving Phoenix isnt those Big Bang energies (as its stated on panel it is)
2)You showing a Big Bang event happening without the comic making reference to Phoenix doesnt equate to a retcon as
a) Said scans dont give the role to another being and thats what would be required for a retcon to have taken place
b) Omission in a non Phoenix story is not a retcon, anymore than a depiction of a generic universe without reference to Eternity would mean he is no longer embodiment and sentience of the universe.
3) Eternity is called the sentience of the universe, embodiment of the universe and embodiment of time. A scan referring to only one of those things would not equate to a retcon
a)as they are complementary and being one doesnt mean he cant be the other.
b) said responsibilities are mentioned throughout continuity
So why would it be different for the Phoenix Force? Because you have ZERO objectivity and are here to try to win and save face? 🙄
Your evidence SOLELY consists of points 1 to 3. You have ZERO evidence that states or shows explicitly that another being is the Big Bang in current continuity and thats what you need to prove a retcon.
The bravado, the calls of retcon demonstrate you are all show and completely devoid of substance. ✅
Share and highlight the truth and be humble and have the integrity to admit when youre wrong 👆
You conceded already, how much longer are you going to make an idiot out of yourself?
Like I said **** off.