Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvilSo SBP didn't use an ability in a period of time=he didn't have this ability? 😂
Prime after the events of Infinite Crisis and prior Death Metal, was pushed to his limits in some fights, sometimes he had to try hard, yet none of his attacks even retconned anything. It's not an "ability" unique to him, period.
Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
So SBP didn't use an ability in a period of time=he didn't have this ability? 😂
So according to your logic, Is Flash not possessing speed steal ability since they aren't always using it?
the retcon punch comes from him hitting hard at the very least if not giving it his all. However he did give it his all after Infinite Crisis and prior Death Metal, it never happened. BECAUSE prior Death Metal, the retcon punch happened under very specific conditions. You blatantly ignore THAT fact
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvilNope, The comics never stated how SBP's reality-warping ability works. We just knew he has the ability.And performed multiple times and to date no specific proof to prove he needs specific conditions to do that.
the retcon punch comes from him hitting hard at the very least if not giving it his all. However he did give it his all after Infinite Crisis and prior Death Metal, it never happened. BECAUSE prior Death Metal, the retcon punch happened under very specific conditions. You blatantly ignore THAT fact
Reality warping punch, and multiverse destroying punch are two different things altogether. Why is the Batman Who Laughs touted as being so great? I'm not saying that he isn't powerful, but he simply didn't show anything that placed him above Monarch when compared to his performance against Superboy Prime. Maybe it's just me though? I mean what makes him different than TOBA Hulk? People argued that it took TOBA Hulk quite a bit of time to destroy everything, and yet I didn't see the Batman Who Laughs snap his fingers and whisk everything away in his battle against Perpetua, who was also carried to heights that she didn't belong at due to hype.
Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Nope, The comics never stated how SBP's reality-warping ability works. We just knew he has the ability.And performed multiple times and to date no specific proof to prove he needs specific conditions to do that.
But we saw him changing reality by hitting a corrupted version of Superman. And we saw him changing reality by hitting phantom zone where he didn't have any multiversal people or structures to hit etc.
So as far as we can see what the comics stated/demonstrated. Yes, SBP indeed has reality-warping ability and it can be used when he hitting his opponents/targets.
Bro.
Youre doing it again. Its alluded to but not conclusive. Its how youve interpreted it based on the circumstances, however as i demonstrated in that SBP vs Eternity thread there are other ways of interpreting said circumstances that dont involve SBP having a reality warping ability. Why? Because its not conclusive its open to interpretation, suggested even, but not confirmed.
Show one scene where its flat out stated that he has a reality warping ability as opposed to it just being alluded to?
Originally posted by Stoic
- well hmmm-
Ive come back and its what people have resorted to.
The standard of evidence has fallen hard.
People dont get or dont acknowledge the difference between their interpretations and whats conclusive.
If you truly believe that an interpretation is correct, then thats cool, make a case for it but be prepared to discuss a scenario where your interpretation is accepted as true and also discuss a battle scenario where your interpretation isnt true. Why? Because its inconclusive.
You cant parade around personal interpretations as the gospel truth when they're not explicitly backed by an official source.
Whats worse is people are getting angry and calling other members trolls because said members arent swallowing their personal interpretations.
Whats KMC coming to? lol
Chill people. Lets get a hold of ourselves and bring back the standards
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Ive come back and its what people have resorted to.The standard of evidence has fallen hard.
People dont get or dont acknowledge the difference between their interpretations and whats conclusive.
If you truly believe that an interpretation is correct, then thats cool, make a case for it but be prepared to discuss a scenario where your interpretation is accepted as true and also discuss a battle scenario where your interpretation isnt true. Why? Because its inconclusive.
You cant parade around personal interpretations as the gospel truth when they're not explicitly backed by an official source.
Whats worse is people are getting angry and calling other members trolls because said members arent swallowing their personal interpretations.
Whats KMC coming to? lol
Chill people. Lets get a hold of ourselves and bring back the standards
It's been a bullshit festival for a while now. People have based their opinions on flimsy notions that did little to show how well these propped up characters would do in actual combat. We saw the Darkest Knight defeat Perpetua, and in turn get beaten by Superboy Prime. The very same Superboy Prime had a tougher fight against Monarch. Monarch wasn't a multiversal being. He was powerful, but Mxy powerful? Hell No. I'm left scratching my head to the raw meat over the mess that Snyder presented.
Originally posted by Adam Grimes
Give me an example of one instance of 'conclusive evidence'. Did you learn about that concept yesterday or something?
Why are you so hostile?
Relax yourself and try and take in what im saying objectively.
Ive never had any interactions with you before today but youre acting like i took a shit in your cereal this morning. Chill and have a grown up, civil discussion.
That should be the default introduction to someone.
Originally posted by Adam Grimes
Give me an example of one instance of 'conclusive evidence'.
In the case of SBP and his retcon punch, he would conclusively have a reality altering ability if it was flat out stated on panel, either through writer narration or confirmed via character statement that he has this ability.
At the moment he's hitting things and its unclear wherever any subsequent effects are as a result of an innate ability he possesses or its due to the circumstances/situation he was in. I.e hitting a structure of multiversal significance, hitting Darkest Knight whilst he was powering reality alterations (thereby providing an explanation for the changes to reality) etc
Whether you find these alternate interpretations as convincing as the one you endorse or not isnt the point. The fact that its open to being interpreted in more than one way and a Dc source hasnt laid it out explicitly is the point.
So as i said before, people need to accept when something is open to interpretation and make a case for what they believe whilst openly acknowledging that their evidence isnt conclusive but what evidence is there leads them to take on a certain viewpoint.
Originally posted by Stoic
It's been a bullshit festival for a while now. People have based their opinions on flimsy notions that did little to show how well these propped up characters would do in actual combat. We saw the Darkest Knight defeat Perpetua, and in turn get beaten by Superboy Prime. The very same Superboy Prime had a tougher fight against Monarch. Monarch wasn't a multiversal being. He was powerful, but Mxy powerful? Hell No. I'm left scratching my head to the raw meat over the mess that Snyder presented.
Its because people are using the most basic ABC logic and not considering context.
SBP defeating DK doesn't place SBP on a DK level and mean he is capable of defeating anyone of that power level and below.
He expended a lot of energy on an extended battle with Perpetua, then began making large scale alterations to reality and mentioned that he was actively powering this whilst fighting SBP so he didnt want to divert any power to defeat SBP. There's no evidence that he did divert said power during that battle.
Its my belief that given the events ive just mentioned and the basic way he was fighting SBP, he was operating at a reduced power level.
SBP never fought a fresh DK, only Perpetua did therefore theres no justification to amp SBP up to ridiculous levels.
Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Nope, The comics never stated how SBP's reality-warping ability works. We just knew he has the ability.And performed multiple times and to date no specific proof to prove he needs specific conditions to do that.
But we saw him changing reality by hitting a corrupted version of Superman. And we saw him changing reality by hitting phantom zone where he didn't have any multiversal people or structures to hit etc.
So as far as we can see what the comics stated/demonstrated. Yes, SBP indeed has reality-warping ability and it can be used when he hitting his opponents/targets.
Opinions differ from yours on the connection of the corrupted Superman and Phantom Zone to the multiverse:
Originally posted by Galan007
SBP does seem to need a 'target' of sorts to effect those kind of changes -- specifically one that is connected to the multiverse in some esoteric way. In the first instance the target was the walls of the Limbo realm, in the second instance the target was the wall/border of the Phantom Zone, in the third instance the target was the Darkest Night and/or his lackeys.To date, Prime hasn't just thrown his fists into thin air and altered the multiverse.
That said, Prime did somehow did manage to bust from the 3rd dimension into the 5th dimension to kidnap Mxy during Countdown:
https://ibb.co/Brsv1xt
...But he also had the Guardian amp at the time, and that action didn't have any adverse effects on the rest of creation.
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
He has an inherent ability to affect reality.
Read my posts.
He doesnt conclusively. Its open to interpretation. If thats your interpretation due to what evidence is there then cool i understand that interpretation and see how you came to it. However its not an ability thats been confirmed officially thus far, just alluded to.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Read my posts.He doesnt conclusively. Its open to interpretation. If thats your interpretation due to what evidence is there then cool i understand that interpretation and see how you came to it. However its not an ability thats been confirmed officially thus far, just alluded to.
The evidence hower really really leans towards it.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Everyone who disagrees with you is a troll? 🙄The sheer arrogance. Youre just not very smart and you perpetually make wacky interpretations. Hence why anyone with a speck of intelligence tends to disagree with you.
Accept your limitations and work on yourself 👆