Who can tank Superboy Prime multiversal punch against BWL

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
In the case of SBP and his retcon punch, he would conclusively have a reality altering ability if it was flat out stated on panel, either through writer narration or confirmed via character statement that he has this ability.

Galan posted this in the other thread.

There you have it clear on panel narration that when he punches he can alter reality.

Those reality changes retconned character histories. It's also not just brainless anger induced hulk type punching.

He can see the changes while it happens, as when he was punching the corrupt supermen and actually sort through the reality changes.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
At the moment he's hitting things and its unclear wherever any subsequent effects are as a result of an innate ability he possesses or its due to the circumstances/situation he was in. I.e hitting a structure of multiversal significance, hitting Darkest Knight whilst he was powering reality alterations (thereby providing an explanation for the changes to reality) etc

3. hitting DK's creations.

Throughout SBP's history it has been made abundantly clear that he can alter reality, retcon character history.
When he hits things as you've mentioned and when he just punches in empty space like he did when he broke out of the Phantom Zone.

No one else has replicated this so it's logical to assume that it is the result of his innate ability.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm

Whether you find these alternate interpretations as convincing as the one you endorse or not isnt the point. The fact that its open to being interpreted in more than one way and a Dc source hasnt laid it out explicitly is the point.

So as i said before, people need to accept when something is open to interpretation and make a case for what they believe whilst openly acknowledging that their evidence isnt conclusive but what evidence is there leads them to take on a certain viewpoint.

Bro, there is no alternate interpretation. You think that these events are open to interpretation because you made erroneous assumptions.
Lets look at some of these.
1- That changes can be made if anyone (not just sbp) can incapacitate or kill an alternate superman.

This is incorrect.
A. Comic clearly states that all SBP had to do was hit those DK corrupted characters, not Kill, or incapacitate. That was your assumption that went against on panel statement.
B. You said it had to be a Corrupted superman. Can you provide proof from the comic? The comic states "This imaginary stories reject". All of DK's corrupted characters can fit under this criteria. Finally,
C. Superman incapacitated the same corrupted superman and there were no reality changes. superman knocked the other corrupted one out with a single punch. So that punch was just as hard as the one SBP threw. Only SBP's punch made the change.

Onto your 2nd erroneous assumption.
"Darkest Knight whilst he was powering reality alterations".
Really? When a reality manipulator, re-writes reality, is he always powering those reality alterations? Do you have on panel statement or or narration to prove that dk was powering his reality alterations? If you can't then it's a false assumption.

Even if he was powering them, he had made those alterations prior to his battle with Perpetua. A battle that raged across every facet of reality. When she was hitting him, there were no changes other than maybe reality destruction, But when SBP hits him, we have reality changes. Further proof that SBP has this innate ability.

We have enough evidence in the comic and throughout SBP's history that he has this innate ability to change reality. The evidence in the origins comic from last week and SBP's history with on panel evidence, statements and narration leave nothing open to interpretation. If there is another interpretation, it is a misinterpretation based off of lack of knowledge of character and his history and the recent events that are shaping DCU. This isn't a knock on you, not everyone has read every comic in existence, except maybe Alberto, or so he says.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Bro.

Youre doing it again. Its alluded to but not conclusive. Its how youve interpreted it based on the circumstances, however as i demonstrated in that SBP vs Eternity thread there are other ways of interpreting said circumstances that dont involve SBP having a reality warping ability. Why? Because its not conclusive its open to interpretation, suggested even, but not confirmed.

Show one scene where its flat out stated that he has a reality warping ability as opposed to it just being alluded to?

Originally posted by TheHulkster
Opinions differ from yours on the connection of the corrupted Superman and Phantom Zone to the multiverse:

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
It was fine though. Galan said connected to the multiverse in some esoteric way.
So the question is how SBP's retcon punch gets triggered/how is his target linked to multiverse. And based on corrupted Superman and phantom zone instances, SBP really just needs hits something. Though I admit that SBP himself didnt know how to use it or trigger it. So there is no no guarantee that he would use it in a fight.
But that isnt what im arguing. Im arguging SBP has this ability. It inheres in SBP

Originally posted by Diesldude
We know the changes he has made just by punching things and

Galan posted this in the other thread.

There you have it clear on panel narration that when he punches he can alter reality.

Those reality changes retconned character histories. It's also not just brainless anger induced hulk type punching.

He can see the changes while it happens, as when he was punching the corrupt supermen and actually sort through the reality changes.

I'll add one more item to your list.

3. hitting DK's creations.

Throughout SBP's history it has been made abundantly clear that he can alter reality, retcon character history.
When he hits things as you've mentioned and when he just punches in empty space like he did when he broke out of the Phantom Zone.

No one else has replicated this so it's logical to assume that it is the result of his innate ability.

Bro, there is no alternate interpretation. You think that these events are open to interpretation because you made erroneous assumptions.
Lets look at some of these.
1- That changes can be made if anyone (not just sbp) can incapacitate or kill an alternate superman.

This is incorrect.
A. Comic clearly states that all SBP had to do was hit those DK corrupted characters, not Kill, or incapacitate. That was your assumption that went against on panel statement.
B. You said it had to be a Corrupted superman. Can you provide proof from the comic? The comic states "This imaginary stories reject". All of DK's corrupted characters can fit under this criteria. Finally,
C. Superman incapacitated the same corrupted superman and there were no reality changes. superman knocked the other corrupted one out with a single punch. So that punch was just as hard as the one SBP threw. Only SBP's punch made the change.

Onto your 2nd erroneous assumption.
"Darkest Knight whilst he was powering reality alterations".
Really? When a reality manipulator, re-writes reality, is he always powering those reality alterations? Do you have on panel statement or or narration to prove that dk was powering his reality alterations? If you can't then it's a false assumption.

Even if he was powering them, he had made those alterations prior to his battle with Perpetua. A battle that raged across every facet of reality. When she was hitting him, there were no changes other than maybe reality destruction, But when SBP hits him, we have reality changes. Further proof that SBP has this innate ability.

We have enough evidence in the comic and throughout SBP's history that he has this innate ability to change reality. The evidence in the origins comic from last week and SBP's history with on panel evidence, statements and narration leave nothing open to interpretation. If there is another interpretation, it is a misinterpretation based off of lack of knowledge of character and his history and the recent events that are shaping DCU. This isn't a knock on you, not everyone has read every comic in existence, except maybe Alberto, or so he says.

😂 You're wrong on all acounts, but tell me how the retcon punch is relevant here. when he killed Xavier years before he was born, Legion wiped himself out of existence without realizing it. He came back from that.

😂

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Where are you in my BZ challenge? 6 month self-ban, Batman with 1 year prep against Knull with 0 prep, fight in the Grand Canyon?

He’s a crayon eater bro

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Where are you in my BZ challenge? 6 month self-ban, Batman with 1 year prep against Knull with 0 prep, fight in the Grand Canyon?

Also this

Originally posted by Diesldude
We know the changes he has made just by punching things and

Galan posted this in the other thread.

There you have it clear on panel narration that when he punches he can alter reality.

Those reality changes retconned character histories. It's also not just brainless anger induced hulk type punching.

He can see the changes while it happens, as when he was punching the corrupt supermen and actually sort through the reality changes.

I'll add one more item to your list.

3. hitting DK's creations.

Throughout SBP's history it has been made abundantly clear that he can alter reality, retcon character history.
When he hits things as you've mentioned and when he just punches in empty space like he did when he broke out of the Phantom Zone.

No one else has replicated this so it's logical to assume that it is the result of his innate ability.

Bro, there is no alternate interpretation. You think that these events are open to interpretation because you made erroneous assumptions.
Lets look at some of these.
1- That changes can be made if anyone (not just sbp) can incapacitate or kill an alternate superman.

This is incorrect.
A. Comic clearly states that all SBP had to do was hit those DK corrupted characters, not Kill, or incapacitate. That was your assumption that went against on panel statement.
B. You said it had to be a Corrupted superman. Can you provide proof from the comic? The comic states "This imaginary stories reject". All of DK's corrupted characters can fit under this criteria. Finally,
C. Superman incapacitated the same corrupted superman and there were no reality changes. superman knocked the other corrupted one out with a single punch. So that punch was just as hard as the one SBP threw. Only SBP's punch made the change.

Onto your 2nd erroneous assumption.
"Darkest Knight whilst he was powering reality alterations".
Really? When a reality manipulator, re-writes reality, is he always powering those reality alterations? Do you have on panel statement or or narration to prove that dk was powering his reality alterations? If you can't then it's a false assumption.

Even if he was powering them, he had made those alterations prior to his battle with Perpetua. A battle that raged across every facet of reality. When she was hitting him, there were no changes other than maybe reality destruction, But when SBP hits him, we have reality changes. Further proof that SBP has this innate ability.

We have enough evidence in the comic and throughout SBP's history that he has this innate ability to change reality. The evidence in the origins comic from last week and SBP's history with on panel evidence, statements and narration leave nothing open to interpretation. If there is another interpretation, it is a misinterpretation based off of lack of knowledge of character and his history and the recent events that are shaping DCU. This isn't a knock on you, not everyone has read every comic in existence, except maybe Alberto, or so he says.

you're not using the suitable scans. Those are all from Infinite Crisis event when he was hitting the wall, therefore causing these changes. Don't try to crop it and leave most of the panels out.
The only scan so far that indicates his punches being able to change shit is when he was hitting the "corrupted Superman" as you like to call him, and even then the only the place he came from apparently started to change, and on a limited scale, his foe remain unaffected by those changes. Not to mention those "retcon punches" didn't apply at all when he was hitting the BWL. Despite him giving it his all.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
you're not using the suitable scans. Those are all from Infinite Crisis event when he was hitting the wall, therefore causing these changes. Don't try to crop it and leave most of the panels out.
The only scan so far that indicates his punches being able to change shit is when he was hitting the "corrupted Superman" as you like to call him, and even then the only the place he came from apparently started to change, and on a limited scale, his foe remain unaffected by those changes. Not to mention those "retcon punches" didn't apply at all when he was hitting the BWL. Despite him giving it his all.

My post must have struck nerve? 2 gibberish filled idiotic responses. 😂

Tell galan they aren’t suitable. 😂 look at the entire page, they weren’t taken out of context and more importantly you missed my point. That he has a history of performing these shenanigan.

Three questions for you.
1. if he needs a wall, what did he hit to break out of the phantom zone?
2.if reality changes if anyone hits one of those corrupted supermen why didn’t it change when Superman knocked one out?
3. Perpetua was battling DK across all of reality but nothing changed like sbp’s changes. Why?

And a bonus question, why are you running scared from DS?

Lmao
2021 and this dweeb is still arguing that Prime can’t shatter reality

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Where are you in my BZ challenge? 6 month self-ban, Batman with 1 year prep against Knull with 0 prep, fight in the Grand Canyon?

Hey you crayon eating mf’er DS asked you a question

Prime punches them so hard it destabilizes the Multiverse, weakening TOAA and then raping him.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
I can only go by what ive witnessed and he strikes me less of a troll and more of someone with views and perspectives that seem at odds with a lot of the current KMC crowd. That isnt a troll.

I just think if people would also look at themselves and the way they construct arguments and the solidity of the evidence they present then they might see some shortfalls which are factors in why people arent being won over

Who knows. Im gonna be around for a little longer so lets see how things turn out 👆

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Why are you so hostile?

Relax yourself and try and take in what im saying objectively.

Ive never had any interactions with you before today but youre acting like i took a shit in your cereal this morning. Chill and have a grown up, civil discussion.

That should be the default introduction to someone.

Feats always get spun around and 'debunked' because of our particular rules regarding citing 'official sources'. I'll leave it up to you to figure out why it is how it is.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
He expended a lot of energy on an extended battle with Perpetua, then began making large scale alterations to reality and mentioned that he was actively powering this whilst fighting SBP so he didnt want to divert any power to defeat SBP. There's no evidence that he did divert said power during that battle.

Its my belief that given the events ive just mentioned and the basic way he was fighting SBP, he was operating at a reduced power level.

SBP never fought a fresh DK, only Perpetua did therefore theres no justification to amp SBP up to ridiculous levels.

Originally posted by Diesldude
Tell galan they aren't suitable. 😂 look at the entire page, they weren't taken out of context and more importantly you missed my point. That he has a history of performing these shenanigan.

Three questions for you my halfwit fellow kmc user.
1. if he needs a wall, what did he hit to break out of the phantom zone?
2.if reality changes if anyone hits one of those corrupted supermen why didn't it change when Superman knocked one out?
3. Perpetua was battling DK across all of reality but nothing changed like sbp's changes. Why?

First off, I originally posted those panels from IC to convey the fact that even Alex Luthor was awestruck by the effect that Prime's punches were having on the whole of reality -- he had absolutely no clue how or why such a thing was possible. All he knew is that reality was being restructured before his eyes.

And as has been mentioned ad nauseam: even though Prime had a fixed location/nexus point to strike, that obviously isn't a feat that any random character can replicate. We know this because Kal-L furiously punched/shattered those same walls "for what seems like hours", and caused no repercussions to reality:
https://ibb.co/0ZDTbtB
https://ibb.co/ZGthQ0P

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1.) In that particular scene, the artistic/authorial intent seemed to be that Prime was punching the mirror-like 'wall' of the Phantom Zone itself, imo. Hence this:

Full scene:
https://ibb.co/K6ySPYx
https://ibb.co/2KtXVXR
https://ibb.co/KGbnB1v
https://ibb.co/Kbjg050
https://ibb.co/P5JtLRv

I understand that the PZ having a defined space and/or bordering walls doesn't make much sense, but different writers often do whatever they want in cases like this(especially those involving Prime.) Now as for how punching out of the PZ could have altered continuity: I have no rational explanation for that. The PZ isn't historically defined as a multiversal nexus point(certainly not in the same way the Limbo realm or DN are)... But as mentioned in the above scene- that's just what Prime does(nonsensical as it may be):

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2.) Indeed. When Prime struck the Superman knockoff(aka. "Saint"😉, his native world/reality was altered as a direct corollary:
https://ibb.co/qd4JzGS

Yet when the mainstream Supermen beat the shit out of Saint, his world/reality was never stated(or implied) to have been altered as a result:
https://ibb.co/YXXyRTG
https://ibb.co/mDqC1Qx

At this point it is abundantly clear that Prime's punches have an innate ability to alter/affect reality in ways no other being(barring high-end reality manipulators) can... When connecting with certain 'targets' that are in some way intrinsically tied-to creation.

This is an 'ability' that even Rip Hunter mentioned(and found ridiculous) after the events of IC:
https://ibb.co/sKxxMfG
"Everything in history predating the re-creation of the multiverse has gone malleable. Thanks mostly to Mr. Mind and that Kryptonian boy's tantrums, which I still find ridiculous to believe...Punching history. Please..."

But it is what it is... /shrug

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3.) Indeed. The battle between Perpetua and DN was being waged across every facet of reality, for multiple issues(to the point where the Source/Overvoid sent in the Chronicler to observe the multiverse's end):
https://ibb.co/bg6MSzx
https://ibb.co/whYLdWV

...Yet even Perpetua's attacks were never implied to have subsequently altered DN's creation in a similar manner to Prime's strikes:
https://ibb.co/LY0LZjj
https://ibb.co/51KvGJW
https://ibb.co/C04WWcv

Not sure why Prime being able to punch continuity so hard that it switches forms is being lowballed/downplayed to such extremes..? The fact that it is completely illogical doesn't change the fact that he's... Done it. 😕

Originally posted by Adam Grimes
I would like to see conclusive evidence for this.

Galan check out the death metal 7 spoiler I posted in comic book discussion thread

Originally posted by Galan007
I know your post wasn't directed at me, but I thought I'd weigh-in...

First off, I originally posted those panels from IC to convey the fact that even Alex Luthor was awestruck by the effect that Prime's punches were having on the whole of reality -- he had absolutely no clue how or why such a thing was possible. All he knew is that reality was being restructured before his eyes.

And as has been mentioned ad nauseam: even though Prime had a fixed location/nexus point to strike, that obviously isn't a feat that any random character can replicate. We know this because Kal-L furiously punched/shattered those same walls "for what seems like hours", and caused no repercussions to reality:
https://ibb.co/0ZDTbtB
https://ibb.co/ZGthQ0P

_______________________

1.) In that particular scene, the artistic/authorial intent seemed to be that Prime was punching the mirror-like 'wall' of the Phantom Zone itself, imo. Hence this:

Full scene:
https://ibb.co/K6ySPYx
https://ibb.co/2KtXVXR
https://ibb.co/KGbnB1v
https://ibb.co/Kbjg050
https://ibb.co/P5JtLRv

I understand that the PZ having a defined space and/or bordering walls doesn't make much sense, but different writers often do whatever they want in cases like this(especially those involving Prime.) Now as for how punching out of the PZ could have altered continuity: I have no rational explanation for that. The PZ isn't historically defined as a multiversal nexus point(certainly not in the same way the Limbo realm or DN are)... But as mentioned in the above scene- that's just what Prime does(nonsensical as it may be):

_______________________

2.) Indeed. When Prime struck the Superman knockoff(aka. "Saint"😉, his native world/reality was altered as a direct corollary:
https://ibb.co/qd4JzGS

Yet when the mainstream Supermen beat the shit out of Saint, his world/reality was never stated(or implied) to have been altered as a result:
https://ibb.co/YXXyRTG
https://ibb.co/mDqC1Qx

At this point it is abundantly clear that Prime's punches have an innate ability to alter/affect reality in ways no other being(barring high-end reality manipulators) can... When connecting with certain 'targets' that are in some way intrinsically tied-to creation.

This is an 'ability' that even Rip Hunter mentioned(and found ridiculous) after the events of IC:
https://ibb.co/sKxxMfG
"Everything in history predating the re-creation of the multiverse has gone malleable. Thanks mostly to Mr. Mind and that Kryptonian boy's tantrums, which I still find ridiculous to believe...Punching history. Please..."

But it is what it is... /shrug

_______________________

3.) Indeed. The battle between Perpetua and DN was being waged across every facet of reality, for multiple issues(to the point where the Source/Overvoid sent in the Chronicler to observe the multiverse's end):
https://ibb.co/bg6MSzx
https://ibb.co/whYLdWV

...Yet even Perpetua's attacks were never implied to have subsequently altered DN's creation in a similar manner to Prime's strikes:
https://ibb.co/LY0LZjj
https://ibb.co/51KvGJW
https://ibb.co/C04WWcv

Not sure why Prime being able to punch continuity so hard that it switches forms is being lowballed/downplayed to such extremes..? The fact that it is completely illogical doesn't change the fact that he's... Done it. 😕

Originally posted by Diesldude
My post must have struck nerve? 2 gibberish filled idiotic responses. 😂

Tell galan they aren’t suitable. 😂 look at the entire page, they weren’t taken out of context and more importantly you missed my point. That he has a history of performing these shenanigan.

Three questions for you.
1. if he needs a wall, what did he hit to break out of the phantom zone?
2.if reality changes if anyone hits one of those corrupted supermen why didn’t it change when Superman knocked one out?
3. Perpetua was battling DK across all of reality but nothing changed like sbp’s changes. Why?

And a bonus question, why are you running scared from DS?

Except none of this proves Prime can "Retcon" reality, it's a forum myth, always has been. I'll debunk all of this in a few again