Better feat

Originally posted by Enzeru
At this point we're overanalyzing everything to hilarious levels, even though the writers themselves didn't think any of this through. I'm gonna do it anyway:

Because in Hulks instance we were dealing with mystical cosmic mumbo-jumbo star-energies, which were focused on the Hulk and Hulk alone. Otherwise Hulk would have sunken into the ground and straight through the Earth, if the weight of of a star was resting on his shoulders. Especially because that would have also made Proximas strength levels rather questionable.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8o0E2TA5ok
... at 0:50.

I think that theory could very well apply to Proximas speer and its star-weight-energy. And you don't see Mjolnir being pushed through the ground, because there are mystical aspects to all of it (as related to the video).

The Last Son is simply different. I could buy him not sinking through the ground due to him actually flying, while pretending to stand. But other than that there should be clearcut side-effects, which can't be excused with mystical mumbo-jumbo.

It's...really weird.

Why would focussing the weight on Hulk negate it's effects on the surroundings? The mass of that star still exists, right?

How did the ground beneath Hulk's feet still manage to support the weight?

See, if we question Superman's, then we can also question Hulk's.

If we accept it as 'Lol, comic physics', then we should do the same across the board.

But just for Hulkster:

Originally posted by TheHulkster
No one cared about the use of the word "supernova" in that scene

Seems like some people do/did.

Originally posted by Diesldude

so double standards. It’s allowed for hulk because of comics jumbo jumbo but not for Superman the t’s have to be crossed and the i’s have to be dotted. Ok I see.

That's not what I meant. I was being deragotory, when I talked about Hulks instance. There it's comic book dumb with a weapon, which does things a weapon should not be able to do. That black energy around was holding Hulk down with the weight of a star.

Not to long ago a bunch of people had the argument as to why Proxima Midnight was able to hold the spear. That's overanalyzing it to comical levels. Her spear wasn't heavy. The energies, which it released were. That's like saying that the Ultimate Nullifier itself is dangerous. No, it's not... The nullifying energies it releases are.

When it comes to the Last Son... there is just so much wishy-washy with DC fans interpreting quite a bit.
I'd say there was a reason why Lex Luthor unleashed the black hole in his suit to get rid of Last Son in space and not on Earth. It would have destroyed the Earth. So with the writers at least somewhat paying attention to real life physics... so I still question Last Son being as heavy as a star. Containing the energy of a star? Sure, why not. Being as heavy as a star, because he is an actual sentient star? I'm not sure that's what that character is supposed to be.

But again, derogatory aside, it's still accepted. Stupid, sure, but accepted.

Last Son? Not so much.

Originally posted by abhilegend
It's mystical cosmic mumbo jumbo when it comes to Hulk but hardcore science when it comes to Superman.

Read the memo, geeze.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85

But again, derogatory aside, it's still accepted. Stupid, sure, but accepted.

Last Son? Not so much.

Yeah, because nothing points at Last Son being as heavy as a star... Other than two or three people saying that Lex Luthor couldn't move Last Son and using that as a reason.

It's like... what? They're basically implying that everything Luthor does in his suit happens on a black hole level. Which isn't really the case? Especially since when Lex Luthor did destroy his suit and created a black hole, it did take care of Last Son. Imagine that. Last Son couldn't deal with a black hole. Couldn't even escape with all his super speed, even though he had three seconds. LOL! Am I lying here? No, I'm not.

I view Last Son more like Monarch than an actual sentient star. Energy contained within the body of a Superman.

Originally posted by Enzeru
Yeah, because nothing points at Last Son being as heavy as a star... Other than two or three people saying that Lex Luthor couldn't move Last Son and using that as a reason.

It's like... what? They're basically implying that everything Luthor does in his suit happens on a black hole level. Which isn't really the case? Especially since when Lex Luthor did destroy his suit and created a black hole, it did take care of Last Son. Imagine that. Last Son couldn't deal with a black hole. Couldn't even escape with all his super speed, even though he had three seconds. LOL! Am I lying here? No, I'm not.

I view Last Son more like Monarch than an actual sentient star. Energy contained within the body of a Superman.

But he IS an actual sentient star, though.

He's not just energy.

By definition, he is as heavy as a star - because he IS a star.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
But he IS an actual sentient star, though.

He's not just energy.

By definition, he is as heavy as a star - because he IS a star.

I dunno man. I'm just confused by everything. I'm not even lowballing, which I'm probably accused of doing. I'm just confused.

What Superman says makes Last Son look like a star, but what Last Son says makes it weird again. And him being an ACTUAL star would come with so much weird stuff, where you would have to throw your suspension of disbelief completely out of the window. Because at that point we're not just dealing with the weight of a star and its gravity... We're also dealing with the heat of a star. Fuvk the idea of less powerful metahumans being pulled towards Last Son – why aren't they being burnt alive?

I have no issue when mystical cosmic mumbo-jumbo comes along and straight up changes reality. I can handle that. Reality warping, cool, I've seen it before. Lift a rock not even you should be able to lift.
But when you have someone like Last Son... Why give him some properties of a star like its weight, but take away some of its properties like its stronger gravitational pull and its heat? If Batman isn't being pulled into Last Son or burnt alive, why should I acknowledge Superman lifting the weight of a star? I'm not saying that Superman can't do that... I'm just saying that in that specific instance it's rather tricky to make a clear argument for it, due to so much weird stuff going on (or not going on to be exact).

But then where does one stop? As you say, we are overanalyzing everything. If the comic says star, it's a star. If Quicksilver is said to run at X speed, we don't bring thermodynamics in and question how he fuels his energy expenditure, or how Magneto can affect the EM spectrum based on his genes being different.

In Hulk's case, we too can question it. Why doesn't he sink into the ground? If that spear truly has the mass of a star on Marvel Earth, why isn't everything being drawn to it?

How does his shoulder armour stand up to that pressure? We've all seen the hydraulic press videos squashing things - yet that doesn't even buckle.

As I said, if we question one, we have to question both. If we accept one at face value, we have to accept both at face value.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
But then where does one stop? As you say, we are overanalyzing everything. If the comic says star, it's a star. If Quicksilver is said to run at X speed, we don't bring thermodynamics in and question how he fuels his energy expenditure, or how Magneto can affect the EM spectrum based on his genes being different.

In Hulk's case, we too can question it. Why doesn't he sink into the ground? If that spear truly has the mass of a star on Marvel Earth, why isn't everything being drawn to it?

How does his shoulder armour stand up to that pressure? We've all seen the hydraulic press videos squashing things - yet that doesn't even buckle.

As I said, if we question one, we have to question both. If we accept one at face value, we have to accept both at face value.

Yeah EXCEPT we’re talking about energies that were confirmed to be a red giant star made into a single spear (probably power cosmic or Thanos ridiculous overrated tech at work) VS a guy who is a living star because he is a star core. Considering his size, he would have significant mass with a core the size of himself but again unless confirmed you cannot really say ‘he’s a star so he has the weight of a star’. Again, Johnny storm was used to power a star. But he has not got the weight of a star.
Confirmation >> theory and speculation

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
But he IS an actual sentient star, though.

He's not just energy.

By definition, he is as heavy as a star - because he IS a star.

not exactly no. That’s like saying because lightning produces light it moves at light speed.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
not exactly no. That’s like saying because lightning produces light it moves at light speed.

😂 how fast is the lightening flash?

Originally posted by Diesldude
😂 how fast is the lightening flash?

😂 THAT'S why I’m saying it’s similar to that comparison. It’s not something that can be compared without confirmation. Another comparison would be like Shen Xorn. He’s a living black hole. But you can’t compare him to a Stellar black hole.

Yeah EXCEPT we’re talking about energies that were confirmed to be a red giant star made into a single spear (probably power cosmic or Thanos ridiculous overrated tech at work) VS a guy who is a living star because he is a star core. Considering his size, he would have significant mass with a core the size of himself but again unless confirmed you cannot really say ‘he’s a star so he has the weight of a star’. Again, Johnny storm was used to power a star. But he has not got the weight of a star.
Confirmation >> theory and speculation

Like the underlined posts here

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
But your post is theory and speculation. Specifically, the underlined part.

Like the underlined posts here

that wasn’t meant to be taken seriously. Also has nothing to do with the confirmation we already have of the spear weighing the same as the star and proof we have of it either being a super red giant or red giant

The spear was shown and described as heavy, Last son wasn't. Simple. You might as well say Lex punched Superman with black hole strength, lol. Im sure some of you though it.

How was the spear shown heavy carter?

Originally posted by abhilegend
How was the spear shown heavy carter?

Why did Hulk fall to the ground and struggle to get back up?

Lol that's circular logic though.

Why is this a feat? Because Hulk lifted it.
What did he lift? Something heavy.
How do we know its heavy? Because Hulk lifted it.

Again, if we question one, we question both. If we accept one, we accept both.

Originally posted by carver9
The spear was shown and described as heavy, Last son wasn't. Simple. You might as well say Lex punched Superman with black hole strength, lol. Im sure some of you though it.

Have a feeling Dark is disagreeing with me and Hulk showing so ill repost this. Enjoy!!!

It was heavy, said on panel. The spear was made from an ALL consuming star going Nova, said on panel. Hulk lifted it because he was shown on panel standing afterwards. Again, shown on panel. The writer even confirms the Hulk had the weight of a star on him. Why do people argue against this showing? Because they are haters and they don't want it making their favorite character look weak. This isnt Hulk only star level ft and he have fts FAR greater than this, like destroying a Universe.