Originally posted by KlawJust because secondary education becomes free or greatly reduced doesn't mean everyone still is entitled to be accepted.
Why should post secondary education be free?Unlike healthcare, not everyone goes to College/University.
These things also tend to cover community college and vocational schools.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Like what 7-8million ?
That seems low.
Originally posted by Newjak
Just because secondary education becomes free or greatly reduced doesn't mean everyone still is entitled to be accepted.These things also tend to cover community college and vocational schools.
Not everyone goes to post secondary, so taxpayers should not have to pay for it.
Originally posted by Klaw
That seems low.Not everyone goes to post secondary, so taxpayers should not have to pay for it.
I don't think further education should be free, but neither do I think it should be inordinately expensive. What they need to sort out is people doing 'hobby' degrees, kids from wealthy families who've decided to do an art history degree because it looks good on paper before going to work for their parents company anyway, those kids are literally wasting space and time and should pay extortionate sums to do so thereby offsetting the cost for others.
What about increasing tax for people who received help from taxpayers for their own education? Sort of paying it forward if you will.
Originally posted by samhain
I don't think further education should be free, but neither do I think it should be inordinately expensive. What they need to sort out is people doing 'hobby' degrees, kids from wealthy families who've decided to do an art history degree because it looks good on paper before going to work for their parents company anyway, those kids are literally wasting space and time and should pay extortionate sums to do so thereby offsetting the cost for others.What about increasing tax for people who received help from taxpayers for their own education? Sort of paying it forward if you will.
I agree post secondary is too expensive somewhat.
I'm in college myself and textbook prices are outrageous.
Tuition is very reasonable however, my total program cost excluding textbooks and my laptop is under $9,000.
I'm not sure about your tax proposal, I could see a lot of pushback from people.
Originally posted by samhainIsn't that just same as student loans now except maybe with a smaller interest rate?
I don't think further education should be free, but neither do I think it should be inordinately expensive. What they need to sort out is people doing 'hobby' degrees, kids from wealthy families who've decided to do an art history degree because it looks good on paper before going to work for their parents company anyway, those kids are literally wasting space and time and should pay extortionate sums to do so thereby offsetting the cost for others.What about increasing tax for people who received help from taxpayers for their own education? Sort of paying it forward if you will.
Originally posted by KlawNot everyone uses the Fire Department or government small business grants either.
That seems low.Not everyone goes to post secondary, so taxpayers should not have to pay for it.
Yet we can all understand the important of funding these things. Simply because not everyone is going to use it doesn't mean it is not a valuable service to society.
Originally posted by Newjak
Not everyone uses the Fire Department or government small business grants either.Yet we can all understand the important of funding these things. Simply because not everyone is going to use it doesn't mean it is not a valuable service to society.
I'm against taxpayer money going to small business grants.
As for the fire department, I support taxpayers funding it since fires do present a clear and immediate danger to others.
And I agree with your last point, but don't confuse valuable to society = everyone has to pay for it.
Originally posted by KlawIt was an example I could have also used police, interstates.
I'm against taxpayer money going to small business grants.As for the fire department, I support taxpayers funding it since fires do present a clear and immediate danger to others.
And I agree with your last point, but don't confuse valuable to society = everyone has to pay for it.
Actually if something is valuable enough to help the society function much better than it is worth paying for it.
And I can think of few things as valuable to a society as having a highly educated populace that has very little debt and can therefore invest in themselves and their country's economy instead of feeding into a debt creation feedback loop.
Originally posted by Newjak
It was an example I could have also used police, interstates.Actually if something is valuable enough to help the society function much better than it is worth paying for it.
And I can think of few things as valuable to a society as having a highly educated populace that has very little debt and can therefore invest in themselves and their country's economy instead of feeding into a debt creation feedback loop.
I agree that a "highly educated populace" is good for society.
But you don't need to go to post secondary to be highly educated.
Originally posted by Newjak
Isn't that just same as student loans now except maybe with a smaller interest rate?
I don't know enough about student loans TBH.
How about when a kid from a wealthy family does a degree in something not particularly useful to society, daddy has to bankroll another kid from an impoverished background? At the very least we'd get fewer of these rich kids doing pointless courses to pat themselves on the back.
Actually, scratch that, let's keep going as normal, I love it when some kid with a marine biology degree serves me a drink.
Originally posted by KlawActually studies have shown those that attend four years of college tend to be more well rounded in their knowledge base so it kind does help in being more highly educated.
I agree that a "highly educated populace" is good for society.But you don't need to go to post secondary to be highly educated.
I would point out vocational schools and community colleges would still be a part of this.
Originally posted by samhainDepends on what you mean by useful. The most populace degrees are nursing, business, and education.
I don't know enough about student loans TBH.How about when a kid from a wealthy family does a degree in something not particularly useful to society, daddy has to bankroll another kid from an impoverished background? At the very least we'd get fewer of these rich kids doing pointless courses to pat themselves on the back.
Actually, scratch that, let's keep going as normal, I love it when some kid with a marine biology degree serves me a drink.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
They vote for those specific policies ?May I remind you Trump came into power selling himself as the Anti-War and Anti-Establishment guy.
Why did people vote for Bush in 2004 after he proved to be a war hawk and establishment candidate after he ran as the opposite in 2000?
Originally posted by Klaw
Why did people vote for Bush in 2004 after he proved to be a war hawk and establishment candidate after he ran as the opposite in 2000?
Was the opposition at the time against the war? I dont think they were.
That said popularity for the wars has gone down
Massively over the years. And Both Obama and Trump won elections claiming they were against the Iraq war.
Also you are confusing the two party system you are stuck with, with what policies people support. Poll after poll shows the American people are strongly for Medicare for all. Yet neither party at the election was offering that.