Originally posted by jaden_2.0
What's amusing is it's the same media that supposedly lie about everything nowadays that have been telling the plebs for decades that socialism is bad. But somehow they are telling the truth about that.
It's like religion, the art of picking and choosing what you like and don't like from the same source.
Originally posted by Blakemore
Trump was against the main stream media ermhappy
So are his supporters. That's the point. They don't believe anything the media say now but still regurgitate stuff the same media have been saying for decades like it's holy scripture.
Newsflash. They were lying back then too.
Originally posted by Blakemore
he called himself a socialist. That's what I was getting at.
But like you said, he clarifies what he means by socialism which is a social democracy akin to Scandinavian countries.
Originally posted by Robtard
Sanders doesn't really "pretend" though. He wants the super rich and mega corporations to pay their fair share, no special rules for them and he gets labelled a "socialist!" because of it, which "socialism" is generally considered a dirty word in America, even by people who currently benefit from socialist policies like free-to-them medical care.TBF, he also gets labelled a "communist" as well sometimes.
Funny thing is though, they dont call U.K. a communist country. Even though we do all the crazy socialist stuff they whine would destroy Capitalism and break your economy. You know radical shit like permanent free healthcare for all, increasing the national minimum wage every year and temporarily nationalising wages during a global pandemic.
Originally posted by Darth Thorbut he called it socialist, which was misleading.
But like you said, he clarifies what he means by socialism which is a social democracy akin to Scandinavian countries.Funny thing is though, they dont call U.K. a communist country. Even though we do all the crazy socialist stuff they whine would destroy Capitalism and break your economy. You know radical shit like permanent free healthcare for all, increasing the national minimum wage every year and temporarily nationalising wages during a global pandemic.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Funny thing is though, they dont call U.K. a communist country. Even though we do all the crazy socialist stuff they whine would destroy Capitalism and break your economy. You know radical shit like permanent free healthcare for all, increasing the national minimum wage every year and temporarily nationalising wages during a global pandemic.
Good point.
I don't even think they seriously point the scary "socialist" finger at the UK either. They usually use Venezuela (which had internal and external forces helping it fail on purpse) and/or "Scandinavian issues" as the boogeyman and
cautionary tales.
Originally posted by Blakemore
but he called it socialist, which was misleading.
Thats what he calls a social democracy.
Moving much more towards socialism but still allowing private business and profit, and of course remaining a democracy.
Its only your media thats misleading making out youd be a communist society under people like him and AOC. You wouldnt.
You need to stop thinking in the literal definitions. Youre not 100% Capitalist as it is. Nor would you be a communist nation if you had Medicare for all, a higher minimum wage, and stopped the wars. Not even close.
Originally posted by Darth ThorI'm british
Thats what he calls a social democracy.Moving much more towards socialism but still allowing private business and profit, and of course remaining a democracy.
Its only your media thats misleading making out youd be a communist society under people like him and AOC. You wouldnt.
You need to stop thinking in the literal definitions. Youre not 100% Capitalist as it is. Nor would you be a communist nation if you had Medicare for all, a higher minimum wage, and stopped the wars. Not even close.
I never understood the problem with socialist ideas in a capitalistic society.
Like...you pay taxes...and those are never going to go away...so why do you have a problem getting some in return for your taxes?
I just don't get it. It's like going to the store, giving them money and just walking away screaming "**** you, I don't need your free shit"
Ten people in a club give money to someone for a nursing service, but wait, 3 of them are super rich so pay more, but wait, 3 others are really poor so don't have to pay and get sick very often. Who's really benefitting here?
Hark, it's stopping the sick from infecting the rich! They put locks on their mansions.
Not the best example, but they're the general arguments
Originally posted by cdtm
Just because we all pay doesn't mean we all benefit equally.
It’s true, generally the super wealthy benefit much more from the state than the poorer people, since they also befit from infrastructure at a much higher rate, since they benefit from the education of their employees, or like Bezos and the Waltons, since they benefit from their employees being on food stamps. But sometimes you have to accept a little unfairness for that for a generally better outcome.
With healthcare there’s a much clearer visible element of luck (it’s also there with wealth, but people don’t see it), like we don’t really know who will get cancer, we don’t know who will be in a traffic accident, so if we all pay in equally to our means, we get a better level of care for everyone in the end. And that doesn’t even go into the benefits the rich have from people not being as sick and living longer.
Originally posted by cdtm
Just because we all pay doesn't mean we all benefit equally.
So you rather still pay taxes but not get anything back...even if some others get more or less.
You are basically saying...the dude from down the road gets a bit more stuff from the government than me so **** it all then. That's being incredibly selfish. No wonder why the US are in this position.
https://www.270towin.com/maps/bQWwy my super early 2024 prediction
I can't wait for the Left to make fun of him and question his health like they did to Trump when a similar thing happened to him.