Big 7 vs X-men+Stips

The thing is Leo broke them down into pairs. Does each Leaguer have the potential to solo this X-Team on a good day? Sure. Their high end feats are undeniable.

It’s just that Mags, Xavier, Magik, & Bobby all got some insane feats in their own right, and Leo setup a battlefield that gives them an advantage. Are ppl suggesting that Wonder Woman is resistant to a simultaneous attack of telepathy, magic, magnetic manipulation of her own bracelets, and subatomic level freezing outright?

Originally posted by Quick Freeze
The thing is Leo broke them down into pairs. Does each Leaguer have the potential to solo this X-Team on a good day? Sure. Their high end feats are undeniable.

It’s just that Mags, Xavier, Magik, & Bobby all got some insane feats in their own right, and Leo setup a battlefield that gives them an advantage. Are ppl suggesting that Wonder Woman is resistant to a simultaneous attack of telepathy, magic, magnetic manipulation of her own bracelets, and subatomic level freezing outright?

I think the XMen could take WW/AM, and Jonn/Batman. I don’t think they could take any other team, including Supes on his own.

Fair enough

Originally posted by Quick Freeze
The thing is Leo broke them down into pairs. Does each Leaguer have the potential to solo this X-Team on a good day? Sure. Their high end feats are undeniable.

It’s just that Mags, Xavier, Magik, & Bobby all got some insane feats in their own right, and Leo setup a battlefield that gives them an advantage. Are ppl suggesting that Wonder Woman is resistant to a simultaneous attack of telepathy, magic, magnetic manipulation of her own bracelets, and subatomic level freezing outright?

In the case of jobbing with the argument of in character, could that lineup arguably bring down anyone without helpful partner, namely Wonder Womsn, Martian Manhunter, and Superman.

They do start behind Magneto's shield, so I guess some of these fights depend on if you think the speedsters can break the shield faster than they get mind****ed by Xavier or BFR'd by Magik.

Or a speedsteal from Wally.

Leo! This forum is dead in the water but I’ll still click on your threads when I log in.

You're not the only man horny for leo here.

Get in line, Smurph.

Hey, I’m not greedy. If leo keeps making threads worth posting in then we all win.

Maybe he’ll pick a fight about forum speed for the umpteenth time, and we have a real event in here.

aww. 😍

if it'll keep you coming back, i'll see what i can do with threads. 👆

as for the thread, the speed steal is def an issue. depends if flash gets it off before xavier. that is an old argument. in character ds, you think he speed steals in the first attosecond?

i also seem to recall phil at one time thinking he could make a case for mags taking down superman.... 😖hifty:

i think the fights are close, and that bobby might be being slept on a little. magik too. pr mentioned rogue could be a problem and i agree with that.

Magik is Def being slept on.

Especially as she has used her portals against lightspeed Spectrum....

Originally posted by leonidas
This group of X-men:

Magneto
Storm
Iceman
Prof X
Rogue
Magik
Havok

is tasked with bringing down the League. They arrange to confront the members in this order:

Wonder Woman/Aquaman

Flash/Lantern

Jonn/Batman

Superman

Do they get it done?

Ground-bound X-men start behind Mags' shield, the others are flying. Empty 500mx500m warehouse.

Could they take out the Little 6 as one unit? (Big 7 minus Superman...)

Doctor polaris solo'd the league so we know magneto is going to be a problem. Current rogue is the big wildcard that is going to give the league problems. I say X-Men have it low/mid difficulty. throwing in two Omega AoE fighters, a sorceror and an energy blaster makes short work of the League.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Storm, Havok and Iceman are largely useless in this fight, tbh. Sure, they have some nice high feats, but on average they lack the offense to put down several of the opponents listed.

Xavier, Mags and Magik are key players though, and could carry the team a fair bit.

Rogue... I suppose it depends on what version of her shows up to the fight.

Iceman isn't useless here. their powers grants them the capability to support and lay suppressing fire. Having a strong support and bench also counts if your big guns get hit early.

Originally posted by leonidas
aww. 😍

if it'll keep you coming back, i'll see what i can do with threads. 👆

as for the thread, the speed steal is def an issue. depends if flash gets it off before xavier. that is an old argument. in character ds, you think he speed steals in the first attosecond?

i also seem to recall phil at one time thinking he could make a case for mags taking down superman.... 😖hifty:

i think the fights are close, and that bobby might be being slept on a little. magik too. pr mentioned rogue could be a problem and i agree with that.

Nah, not the first attosecond of the fight, but I would say it's a good shout when the chips are down - for example, with Amazo. He's getting beaten, he's getting kicked all over the place, he knows he's going to lose.....

THEN he pulled it out, and it was instantaneous, so he could get away (which would be a forum win).

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Nah, not the first attosecond of the fight, but I would say it's a good shout when the chips are down - for example, with Amazo. He's getting beaten, he's getting kicked all over the place, he knows he's going to lose.....

THEN he pulled it out, and it was instantaneous, so he could get away (which would be a forum win).

and i agree with that 100%, but here, if he doesn't do it immediately, prof x fukcs him good, and he won't have another chance to try it. this team can't beat a cis-less forum flash (almost no one can), but i do think they can beat an in character flash--at least the first time they meet. /shrug

Ah so no basic knowledge?

ok, let's assume standard knowledge. i'm still not convinced it's his go-to. see...any battle with grodd as proof?

but beyond that, has it not been shown that speed steal freezes an opponent, but that they are still capable of thinking? re: inertia....

Originally posted by Smurph
It all turns on two factors, for me:

1. Speed
2. Xavier and Magneto power levels

Basically, for the XMen to beat Flash or Superman, you would have to assume that Chuck and Mags are operating at peak levels while Flash and Superman are operating... somewhere below peak. How far below (“standard”, “average”, etc) doesn’t really matter, my only point is that you need to skew things to be a really good day for the mutants (particularly the two I named), and a mediocre day for the speedsters.

The only debatable fights, IMO, exclude Flash and Superman. And even still, they’d be hard pressed to beat any two person team made up of Hal and either Jonn or Diana.

They start off behind Mags shield. I really dont see how the X team loses under those stips.Supes can shatter the shield once he larns about it. Gonna be to late by then

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Iceman isn't useless here. their powers grants them the capability to support and lay suppressing fire. Having a strong support and bench also counts if your big guns get hit early.

I said "largely", as I really don't expect his offence to be of any use. They just can't really take him down physically. Arthur or J'onn could telepathically attack him, sure, but that's about it.

@phil--didn't you tell me once upon a time that you thought you could make a pretty good case for mags beating superman. pretty sure i have that convo saved somewhere... lol

Originally posted by leonidas
@phil--didn't you tell me once upon a time that you thought you could make a pretty good case for mags beating superman. pretty sure i have that convo saved somewhere... lol

i agree a determined superman could get through them. i think there are ways mags could make an in-character superman's life rough though.