Originally posted by leonidasI'm surprised to see Wonder Woman given a free pass, tbh [and not solely in this thread]. I think people see her too much as "70% of Superman" instead of actually looking at her feats.
i agree a determined superman could get through them. i think there are ways mags could make an in-character superman's life rough though.
oh, i'm not giving her a free pass at all. i think the main reason they see her that way is because she is considerably slower than superman. and in dc, speed is what it always comes down to. i think she's faster than jonn though and probably lantern, but she doesn't showcase blitz-style speed as regularly as superman. /shrug i do think the team takes her out though.
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
He will be successful, easily. There's no reason why it shouldn't work on aquaman, batman and the flash. Also iceman and storm would be key to slowing down flash since both can drop into near absolute zero cold instantly.
Easily? The likelihood of Bobby even trying it is up for debate. Then there's the argument as to how successful/potent it would actually be.
I know they're DC characters and you hate them, but try to be fair for once.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Neither iceman nor storm have superhuman reflexes. They're well trained and honed by practice and battle, sure, but nowhere near the level of Flash.Unless we use PIS, like Batman weirdly having superhuman reflexes etc.
Storm is a near Batman level combatant. No reason to think her reflexes aren't close enough. Also there's other members of the team would be in play. The flash isn't automatically going to be moving in ftl speeds either especially when it's not necessary, that's how he gets caught.
Originally posted by -Pr-
Easily? The likelihood of Bobby even trying it is up for debate. Then there's the argument as to how successful/potent it would actually be.I know they're DC characters and you hate them, but try to be fair for once.
just throwing out all options. Flash freezing the flash would probably be the best move and between him and storm they can pull that off. Magneto can too but his would be slower.
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Storm is a near Batman level combatant. No reason to think her reflexes aren't close enough. Also there's other members of the team would be in play. The flash isn't automatically going to be moving in ftl speeds either especially when it's not necessary, that's how he gets caught.
No she's not.
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
just throwing out all options. Flash freezing the flash would probably be the best move and between him and storm they can pull that off. Magneto can too but his would be slower.
Can is different to would, though.
Originally posted by -Pr-
No she's not.Can is different to would, though.
He WOULD though, that's the point. Not only can he pull moisture he can pull energy, heat vision is done. He can shut that off by manipulating convection waves. He controls the energy that produces heat. Radiation as well. He's not Mera. Mera wishes she could do what Bobby could. He has full control of all water around him including ambient moisture. He can drain them of body heat as well. If he wanted to body them...he could far worse than this:
It's not up for dispute. For killer frost that was and Amp. Bobby was already doing stuff like this, Not just moisture. But he controls energy. With bobby moisture is simply a byproduct of his main power. Energy manipulation
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
More importantly you MUST take into effect the X-men as a team and how effective they are in group fights and using their powers together. Everyone in this X-men squad is effective. Easily.
Have these specific X-men ever actually been part of the same team at the same time?
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
He WOULD though, that's the point. Not only can he pull moisture he can pull energy, heat vision is done. He can shut that off by manipulating convection waves. He controls the energy that produces heat. Radiation as well. He's not Mera. Mera wishes she could do what Bobby could. He has full control of all water around him including ambient moisture. He can drain them of body heat as well. If he wanted to body them...he could far worse than this:It's not up for dispute. For killer frost that was and Amp. Bobby was already doing stuff like this, Not just moisture. But he controls energy. With bobby moisture is simply a byproduct of his main power. Energy manipulation
Saying he would because you want him to, isn't the same as him being willing to do it first thing as soon as the bell rings. Capability isn't up for debate as much as willingness or thoughtfulness.
You're acting like Bobby would do what you would do in his place. It's not the same thing.
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
More importantly you MUST take into effect the X-men as a team and how effective they are in group fights and using their powers together. Everyone in this X-men squad is effective. Easily.
Them working well as a team doesn't suddenly mean they can overcome any obstacle.