What is standard equipment???

Started by Trackz10 pages

The answer is yes, you are being blind to arguments. And like I've repeatedly said you've been willfully ignorant to said arguments. As has been noted Blade has been depicted with boy-thing the majority of his arca for the last 2 years. When he's not depicted with it, it has been syayed or shown why with the exception of the Khonshu arc. You brought back King in Black point, so now you're lying once again to try and get a favorable moderator ruling when they clearly are not interested in this.

To anyone that cares the point is simply Blade has been shown with boy-thing more consistently than any of his other equipment over the last 2 years save his swords. For characters with variable equipment, we use their most consistent showings. DS purely for the sake of protecting his ego I guess has shifted it to standard use and is showing arcs in which its shown why Blade isn't using boy-thing for combat but is shown using him for other things (e.g. War of Realms, doesn't use him to fight, is shown using him to travel between missions) or is attempting an absence of evidence argument (e.g. Blade hasn't been shown with BT in King in Black therefore he doesn't have him inexplicably, even though the event is on-goijg and we have advertisements for the event in the future showing that Blade uses BT).

Its been fairly clear for everyone else who has read through the arguments that BT is standard for Blade, and as multiple users began making that point DS panics and make this thread.

Its been 2 years since Blade got BT, and has made use of him in every major arc, save for the Khonshu arc and the current arc so far where he decides that BT should look after a baby while he guards the outside of the base, with clear evidence he will be using him in the next major arc. If 2 years of consistent possession isn't standard for a character with varied arsenal, then to the point there's no reason to assume batman has everything in his belt. Especially since we've seen Blade can have BT do other things. The only counter argument is the exact absence of evidence argument that DS is arguing is insufficient for the belt.

Like I said in BOTH threads though. Its been fairly clear to everyone else involved and I'd be happy to engage in the other threads with people who are interested in having honest debates about it. Not people who continue to make dishonest arguments and lie. This isn't that serious and makes the whole thing worse for everyone involved.

You only love Blade because he is black.

Originally posted by Trackz
The answer is yes, you are being blind to arguments. And like I've repeatedly said you've been willfully ignorant to said arguments. As has been noted Blade has been depicted with boy-thing the majority of his arca for the last 2 years. When he's not depicted with it, it has been syayed or shown why with the exception of the Khonshu arc. You brought back King in Black point, so now you're lying once again to try and get a favorable moderator ruling when they clearly are not interested in this.

To anyone that cares the point is simply Blade has been shown with boy-thing more consistently than any of his other equipment over the last 2 years save his swords. For characters with variable equipment, we use their most consistent showings. DS purely for the sake of protecting his ego I guess has shifted it to standard use and is showing arcs in which its shown why Blade isn't using boy-thing for combat but is shown using him for other things (e.g. War of Realms, doesn't use him to fight, is shown using him to travel between missions) or is attempting an absence of evidence argument (e.g. Blade hasn't been shown with BT in King in Black therefore he doesn't have him inexplicably, even though the event is on-goijg and we have advertisements for the event in the future showing that Blade uses BT).

Its been fairly clear for everyone else who has read through the arguments that BT is standard for Blade, and as multiple users began making that point DS panics and make this thread.

Its been 2 years since Blade got BT, and has made use of him in every major arc, save for the Khonshu arc and the current arc so far where he decides that BT should look after a baby while he guards the outside of the base, with clear evidence he will be using him in the next major arc. If 2 years of consistent possession isn't standard for a character with varied arsenal, then to the point there's no reason to assume batman has everything in his belt. Especially since we've seen Blade can have BT do other things. The only counter argument is the exact absence of evidence argument that DS is arguing is insufficient for the belt.

Like I said in BOTH threads though. Its been fairly clear to everyone else involved and I'd be happy to engage in the other threads with people who are interested in having honest debates about it. Not people who continue to make dishonest arguments and lie. This isn't that serious and makes the whole thing worse for everyone involved.

Also, Symbiotes are living beings too that merge.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
You only love Blade because he is black.
facts

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
But like I said many times, we don't KNOW what Batman brings in his belt. If you can, with 100% certainty, tell me EXACTLY what he has in his belt, then sure, I concede.

On the other hand, I can with 100% certainty post examples of Blade NOT even bringing BT into battle. L


Hmm, I'd actually push back against that a little. I understand what you mean, and it's totally fine if we're just nerding out and trying to establish canon. In a VS discussion though, it's too close to asking everyone to prove a negative. We can't show you what's not in the belt, but we can paint a pretty reasonable picture of his standard options.

I thought about making this thread myself, as it's a point of contention for certain characters/matchups. Not singling out Bats here either. Over the years, I've seen folks try to sneak in some off the wall items for their favorite characters. Was wondering if maybe my idea of standard equipment was different from others.

Batman holds X-23 in one of his bat-pockets.

Good point Stilt. The Muramasa Armor is standard for X-23. The mods agree. 👆

Enigma Force is standard for her, too.

While Wolverine has the full access to the Phoenix Force, Time Bat and Crystal of Ultimate Vision.

We're the only ones who understand the rules.

I'd go further than that, and as we always take most recent versions, the Phoenix Force is standard for Logan 👆

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Well I am wondering if A: I am being blind to other arguments, and B: have I misunderstood forum rules this entire time.

If standard equipment can include items/characters that aren't seen that often in comics (and I'm not talking about USING, but even just carrying into combat), then that's very different to how I've been seeing things.

My point being Blade, in the past two years since he met Boy Thing, has multiple instances of not even bringing BT to the battlefield - yet it's standard equipment according to Trackz. My interpretation is closer to Phildo's.

So what IS standard equipment?

Honestly, my general idea has always been to look at the last arc they were in, so around 6 issues or so. I see if they were using said item, or if they at least had it on them during the issues. If they did, I think it's fair game as that's the most recent version.

I mean, if it's not, then all people have to do when making threads is specified in the OP that the character has the item with them.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Honestly, my general idea has always been to look at the last arc they were in, so around 6 issues or so. I see if they were using said item, or if they at least had it on them during the issues. If they did, I think it's fair game as that's the most recent version.

I mean, if it's not, then all people have to do when making threads is specified in the OP that the character has the item with them.

That's the thing - based on this, Blade doesn't have BT. So your idea chimes with mine.

Thanks.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Standard for Blade: Everything he has ever used even once

Standard for Batman: Exactly 5 batarangs (dulled so they dont take off human limbs) and his grappling hook. Anything else has to be specified as a prep related thread.

Please make this ruling happen.

This dude gets it

Re: What is standard equipment???

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
This can be a versus thread if people want it to be.

So, am sure a lot of you have seen the Blade threads.

Do we consider Boy-Thing a part of his standard arsenal? By this I mean, is it what he brings INTO battle?

Doesn't have to actually USE it, but just so we know he carries it.

Per forum rules:

And how many instances does it have to be? Boy-Thing appeared in Avengers #17, we are now on Avengers #42 - and in addition, Blade has appeared in War of the Realms (6 issues, plus any tie-ins), and the King in Black storyline (twice, I think). So that is a good ~30-40 issues of appearances.

I'm not talking about scenes of Blade chilling in Avengers Mountain with BT on his shoulder - that's just chilling. I am talking about in BATTLE.

Trackz and I obviously don't see eye to eye on this, but what do others think?

If there is a question about particular equipment then the OP can easily clarify.

It would be the same thing as creating a thread with particular stips.

Re: Re: What is standard equipment???

Originally posted by h1a8
If there is a question about particular equipment then the OP can easily clarify.

It would be the same thing as creating a thread with particular stips.

👆 am asking for threads where it's too late for clarifications.

Then just make another thread specifying the exact items
if there are members who don’t want to debate AFTER things are changed outside of the allotted time.

That's what I'll do if no one wants to agree with the changes.

Agreed. That doesn't change the initial question though, which iswhat is considered standard equipment...I mean, even in this thread, we have several posters (i.e. Phildo, Galan, Pr) agreeing with my reading and understanding of the rules, and some (i.e. Albert and Trackz) disagreeing.

That would easily derail a thread (see Batman/Blade lol).

Sounds like pr actually disagrees with your point. If we look at just the most recent arcs it seems pretty clear bt would be standard. I’m surprised pr only looks back that far. I’ve always looked at a longer term than a single arc. His opinion implies if it’s standard in the last 6 issues or so and it’s in place even before that then it should certainly be viewed as standard. Over the last couple years I’ve seen enough to say, using pr’s criteria, that bt should be considered standard at this point. Not something I agreed with really until right now. /shrug

Originally posted by leonidas
Sounds like pr actually disagrees with your point. If we look at just the most recent arcs it seems pretty clear bt would be standard. I’m surprised pr only looks back that far. I’ve always looked at a longer term than a single arc. His opinion implies if it’s standard in the last 6 issues or so and it’s in place even before that then it should certainly be viewed as standard. Over the last couple years I’ve seen enough to say, using pr’s criteria, that bt should be considered standard at this point. Not something I agreed with really until right now. /shrug

🙁

Now I KNOW you didn't read my posts.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85

BT appears in Avengers #17.
#18, War of the Realms. No BT
#19 - Blade is shown fighting, no BT
#20 - Blade is shown fighting, no BT
#21 - The scans above-Blade is shown with BT going off to fight vamps. War of the Realms is EXPLICITLY over. Blade fights using BT
#22 - Blade is with BT as they stand around talking
#23 - Cosmic GR attacks, Blade sends BT away when fighting starts No BT fighting with Blade.
#24 - Blade fights with the breathing gun (first time); no BT
#25 - Blade is fighting in Hell, no BT
#26 - flashback, no Blade
#27 - Blade walking around and talking, no BT(except when he gives a rose to Black Widow). Fast forward to a few weeks later, then they are in GR's car.
#28 - they're in GR's car, Blade is dying
#29 - The surfer feat (BT's idea, not Blade's) Blade fights using BT
#30 - Gladiator feat Blade fights using BT
#31 - No Blade, only Stark
#32 - Blade is about to leave with BT, gets talked back by Widow
#32-37 - Blade fights; no BT this is the Khonshu arc
#38 - Blade is shown, no BT
#39 - Flashback
#40 - Blade fights when Namor attacks; no BT
#41 - no Blade
#42 - It's shown BT is babysitting. no BT fighting with Blade.

Last major arc was Khonshu, issues #32-37. No BT. Trackz acknowledges this point, at least, and we agree on THAT.

The last time Blade fought with BT, it w as issue #30. The last time we even SAW Blade with BT, it was issue #32.

Edit: should've said #33, Khonshu.. Blade doesn't even have BT on him, lol. The last time we saw him with Blade(#32), Blade was leaving the Avengers Mountain with ALL of his worldly possessions.

I mean, if you move house, am I suddenly going to count EVERYTHING you have with you as 'standard Leo'? Come on now lol.

But this discussion is proving my point that it should be hashed out. As per Pr's reasoning, using the past six issues would have no BT as standard.

Using your reasoning of longer term...is where Trackz and I differ. As I outline in my list above (which anyone can check), there are MANY issues where Blade doesn't bring BT with him. The further back you go, the more issues show up with Blade fighting without BT.

And that doesn't include tie in issues, side issues etc. For example, in the War of the Realms books, Blade is NOT shown fighting Malekith's forces with BT. In the KiB book, Blade is NOT shown Knull's forces, or the vampires in Ukraine with BT.