Originally posted by DarkSaint85Hm. How does it count at standard equipment if he doesn't standardly have it help him at all times?
🙁Now I KNOW you didn't read my posts.
Last major arc was Khonshu, issues #32-37. No BT. Trackz acknowledges this point, at least, and we agree on THAT.
The last time Blade fought with BT, it w as issue #30. The last time we even SAW Blade with BT, it was issue #32.
Wouldn't that defeat the point of standard?
I don't think think we have "occasional equipment".
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Edit: should've said #33, Khonshu.. Blade doesn't even have BT on him, lol. The last time we saw him with Blade(#32), Blade was leaving the Avengers Mountain with ALL of his worldly possessions.I mean, if you move house, am I suddenly going to count EVERYTHING you have with you as 'standard Leo'? Come on now lol.
But this discussion is proving my point that it should be hashed out. As per Pr's reasoning, using the past six issues would have no BT as standard.
Using your reasoning of longer term...is where Trackz and I differ. As I outline in my list above (which anyone can check), there are MANY issues where Blade doesn't bring BT with him. The further back you go, the more issues show up with Blade fighting without BT.
And that doesn't include tie in issues, side issues etc. For example, in the War of the Realms books, Blade is NOT shown fighting Malekith's forces with BT. In the KiB book, Blade is NOT shown Knull's forces, or the vampires in Ukraine with BT.
Batman doesn't standerly have ALOT of his stuff rithrt but is it not standard? 🤔
re: philosophia's point it's pretty simple:
1. for the past 2 years, Blade has used boy-thing in every major arc, save for the Khonshu arc. what boy-thing has been used for has differed. We see him kill the Shadow Colonel with BT when he first bonds with him. He has him all of the Ghost Rider arc, until BT is injured by cosmic ghost rider. He has BT with him for their entire space mission. DS made the point that BT was missing during war of the realms, but we see at the end of that arc that BT was being used by Blade to travel to missions. In the most recent arc, he's asked BT to protect the starbrand while he guards the outside of the avengers base. The Khonshu is the only arc where he's inexplicably missing, but for every other arc for the past 2 years, Blade is either shown with BT or shown what he was using BT for if not combat.
2. Characters like Blade have variable equipment, and most often, to your original point, we use what they bring with them on missions the most consistently. Blade has used BT more than he has used his guns, stakes, or any other weaponry save his swords the past 2 years. If you were to count Blade's equipment use, it beats out virtually everything else that we count as standard in his threads.
Originally posted by h1a8
I agree. If Blade doesn't always have BT all the time, especially that last few issues, then it wouldn't be standard equipment.
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
What happens if you can do a list of comics where half of batman's gear you don't see or he uses?
Is it still standard for Batman?
Originally posted by Trackz
re: philosophia's point it's pretty simple:1. for the past 2 years, Blade has used boy-thing in every major arc, save for the Khonshu arc. what boy-thing has been used for has differed. We see him kill the Shadow Colonel with BT when he first bonds with him. He has him all of the Ghost Rider arc, until BT is injured by cosmic ghost rider. He has BT with him for their entire space mission. DS made the point that BT was missing during war of the realms, but we see at the end of that arc that BT was being used by Blade to travel to missions. In the most recent arc, he's asked BT to protect the starbrand while he guards the outside of the avengers base. The Khonshu is the only arc where he's inexplicably missing, but for every other arc for the past 2 years, Blade is either shown with BT or shown what he was using BT for if not combat.
2. Characters like Blade have variable equipment, and most often, to your original point, we use what they bring with them on missions the most consistently. Blade has used BT more than he has used his guns, stakes, or any other weaponry save his swords the past 2 years. If you were to count Blade's equipment use, it beats out virtually everything else that we count as standard in his threads.
But your post basically says "Blade's standard equipment (as per DS' weird criteria) is a pair of swords".
Originally posted by DarkSaint85Exactly. and I'm saying that precisely because of that, your position is ridiculous. I'm saying, implicitly, we all acknowledge in threads with characters such as Blade with varying arsenals, it makes no sense to apply that standard and we have NEVER applied that standard. My argument is based on precedent and the fact that no one would have had an issue if I had brought up Blade's guns, which he has used intermittently throughout the past couple of years, and is sometimes depicted without them, with his stakes, which he has used intermittently throughout the past couple of years, and is sometimes depicted without them, or with any random piece of equipment that he showed himself to be carrying without prior prep (tazers, glaives, bolas, explosives, etc.) , even if only used a couple of times in the last few years because precedent for characters with variable equipment is typically and simply: they're often shown to use this without prior prep. You follow that precedent and implicit understanding with Batman. People follow it with Deadpool and people FOLLOWED it with Blade, until his equipment became the type of thing that could shift a match. This is why I have repeatedly called the argument dishonest. Because it's not actually about the precedent of standard equipment or how we have implicitly used it or what is deliberately stated, it's about creating an arbitrary standard simply to win an argument. You said it yourself in the Batman vs. Blade thread, when you referenced years of Blade being shown with guns as a reason you were comfortable acknowledging him having them, even they weren't shown consistently as of recent. However, when this applies to BT, who Blade has had for years at this point, it is a major sticking point.
But your post basically says "Blade's standard equipment (as per DS' weird criteria) is a pair of swords".
Okay, first of all, Batman doesn't count in this discussion. His utility belt is treated by writers as, essentially, a Bag of Holding that 99% of the time has exactly what he needs for a situation.
It's only when we get in to things like Mechanical armour etc that we have to take a second.
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Originally posted by leonidas
Sounds like pr actually disagrees with your point. If we look at just the most recent arcs it seems pretty clear bt would be standard. I’m surprised pr only looks back that far. I’ve always looked at a longer term than a single arc. His opinion implies if it’s standard in the last 6 issues or so and it’s in place even before that then it should certainly be viewed as standard. Over the last couple years I’ve seen enough to say, using pr’s criteria, that bt should be considered standard at this point. Not something I agreed with really until right now. /shrug
Truthfully, I only look back that far (usually) because by and large, characters generally don't change that much. If the current writer is say, Hickman, and he's been working on a book for eight or nine months, then sure, I'll look at those too, because that's the current version of the character.
The only time standard equipment had repeatedly come up for me in the threads I've read has been with Aquaman. Every new writer wants to reinvent the ****ing wheel, so they change his trident. Give him new magic powers. Take away his magic powers. Take away his trident. Get rid of Mera. Bring Mera back. Have Mera love him. Have Mera hate him. Have Mera be the star of the book.
It gets annoying.
Omg Pr women aren't equipment.
But that's a good point with Batman's mechanical suits. We can treat them the same as Boy Thing, which is that it needs to be specified. Otherwise it's not standard - because there are many times Blade has gone into a fight with no BT. They are OBVIOUSLY not THAT symbiotically linked, because....Blade fights just fine without BT.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Omg Pr women aren't equipment.But that's a good point with Batman's mechanical suits. We can treat them the same as Boy Thing, which is that it needs to be specified. Otherwise it's not standard - because there are many times Blade has gone into a fight with no BT. They are OBVIOUSLY not THAT symbiotically linked, because....Blade fights just fine without BT.
Originally posted by -Pr-
Okay, first of all, Batman doesn't count in this discussion. His utility belt is treated by writers as, essentially, a Bag of Holding that 99% of the time has exactly what he needs for a situation.It's only when we get in to things like Mechanical armour etc that we have to take a second.
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Truthfully, I only look back that far (usually) because by and large, characters generally don't change that much. If the current writer is say, Hickman, and he's been working on a book for eight or nine months, then sure, I'll look at those too, because that's the current version of the character.
The only time standard equipment had repeatedly come up for me in the threads I've read has been with Aquaman. Every new writer wants to reinvent the ****ing wheel, so they change his trident. Give him new magic powers. Take away his magic powers. Take away his trident. Get rid of Mera. Bring Mera back. Have Mera love him. Have Mera hate him. Have Mera be the star of the book.
It gets annoying.
Boy thing can be used as gear/equipment due to it becoming armor, a glider, and weapons
Similar to Symbiotes like conan and his Symbiote sword, Knull and the all black and so on.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85yea no. As he just stated, the point to him checking with someone like aquaman is for updates under new writers. Jason Aaron updated Blade in his Avengers run. Again, Blade has had BT in most of the arcs he's been featured in for the past 2 years.
Omg Pr women aren't equipment.But that's a good point with Batman's mechanical suits. We can treat them the same as Boy Thing, which is that it needs to be specified. Otherwise it's not standard - because there are many times Blade has gone into a fight with no BT. They are OBVIOUSLY not THAT symbiotically linked, because....Blade fights just fine without BT.
The point re:mechanical armor is to assess if it has truly become standard aka is batman consistently displayed with it for multiple years? Does he have it so consistently that it has to be narrarively explained why he doesn't have it. Answer is no.
Originally posted by -Pr-
Okay, first of all, Batman doesn't count in this discussion. His utility belt is treated by writers as, essentially, a Bag of Holding that 99% of the time has exactly what he needs for a situation.It's only when we get in to things like Mechanical armour etc that we have to take a second.
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Truthfully, I only look back that far (usually) because by and large, characters generally don't change that much. If the current writer is say, Hickman, and he's been working on a book for eight or nine months, then sure, I'll look at those too, because that's the current version of the character.
The only time standard equipment had repeatedly come up for me in the threads I've read has been with Aquaman. Every new writer wants to reinvent the ****ing wheel, so they change his trident. Give him new magic powers. Take away his magic powers. Take away his trident. Get rid of Mera. Bring Mera back. Have Mera love him. Have Mera hate him. Have Mera be the star of the book.
It gets annoying.
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i feel like that has been building up for a while, but i think i get what you're saying here--aquaman sucks. and so do women. 👆
but to the other point--it's pretty easily solved--put the stip in the OP. put BT in the OP in a blade match. that doesn't really address the overall point though about what IS standard--ie, what needs a stip and what doesn't.
trackz showed BT has appeared in a certain high percentage of blade-related material over the last couple years. ds has argued that it isn't enough. the question is easy--how frequently does something need to appear to be standard? i don't consider herc's mace standard, though it could be seen that way. namor's water suit if he'll be away from water for a long while. standard? what about HIS trident? i'm not trying to get you to make a backhanded mod ruling, i'm genuinely curious because it seems people really do have differing opinions. let's say over the last couple years BT has been in 8/10 arcs (not sure if that's right, but just an example). is that sufficient do you think to be considered standard? 7/10?