What is standard equipment???

Started by Trackz10 pages

No I understood your point. It was that there was no reason to assume there had been a change of gear and that he had used the gear that was said to be non-standard. I agree with it. Im saying based on the arguments in this thread though, if I were to go through that run and, despite previous use, find multiple instances of that specific item not being used, it wouldn't be standard.

I agree with your last point and I'd add if our criteria for standard equipment doesn't allow us to engage a standard depiction of the character, it has to be reassed. The clear example being Blade, a character who is consistently displayed with a wide-ranging arsenal in combat, would have none of it simply because of him being written as a character with a wide ranging/varying arsenal.

Was Jarro Bruce's "standard equipment"?

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Was Jarro Bruce's "standard equipment"?

if batman was shown having/using jarro for years/the majority of arcs he was in?

So Robin is standard now?

Edit: Batmite and Mxy are Bats' and Supes' guardian angels. So...they're ina thread now?

I just don't think a whole different character should be standard equipment, the only exceptions being if it's specifically listed by the OP.

And yes, characters like Bruce and Blade have wide range of equipment. And unless it's something highly specialized, like a Thanagarian piece, or Bruce knowing he's going to be fighting a specific character and bringing along a box of baking soda to deal with his power, then most of it would be okay to be debated as standard. Not specialized for particular story = standard.

Originally posted by Juntai
I just don't think a whole different character should be standard equipment, the only exceptions being if it's specifically listed by the OP.

And yes, characters like Bruce and Blade have wide range of equipment. And unless it's something highly specialized, like a Thanagarian piece, or Bruce knowing he's going to be fighting a specific character and bringing along a box of baking soda to deal with his power, then most of it would be okay to be debated as standard. Not specialized for particular story = standard.

The main distinction here being the bulk of boy-things appearances are as a character being used for weaponry, travel, or defense. Ghost riders car is its own character and has fought with him, but we would consider it standard. Sentience as a character isn't the standard here, its what would qualify as consistent use. But boy-thing is something that has predominantly been used, unlike many of the counterexaples (e.g. Frenchie)

Ghost Rider's car isn't even close to the same, as Eli's spirit is what Robbie is bonded to. Eli and Robbie ARE the Ghost Rider.

The bulk of his appearances are NOT with BT - that was the central point I made.

For every scan Trackz posts of Blade using BT for weaponry, travel or defense, I will post....3 scans of Blade in a fight not with BT on his shoulder.

Originally posted by Juntai
Ghost Rider's car isn't even close to the same, as Eli's spirit is what Robbie is bonded to. Eli and Robbie ARE the Ghost Rider.
Not completely true. In the most recent run on Avengers, Robbie was displayed as Ghost Rider while Eli was possessing something else. Aaron's run has complicated this entire dynamic such that the car is an autonomous being somewhat and can be possessed by more than just Eli.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So Robin is standard now?

Edit: Batmite and Mxy are Bats' and Supes' guardian angels. So...they're ina thread now?

That’s what I was getting at with the frenchie example

I still think having a review of the standard equipment rule is worth while

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
The bulk of his appearances are NOT with BT - that was the central point I made.

For every scan Trackz posts of Blade using BT for weaponry, travel or defense, I will post....3 scans of Blade in a fight not with BT on his shoulder.

No. the central point you made was that Blade hasn't used BT to fight in the bulk of his appearances. We've done this already

#17 - Blade has BT
#19 - Blade does not have BT
#20 - Blade does not have BT
#21 - Blade has BT - shown that Blade has been using BT for travel for independent missions
#22 - Blade has BT
#23 - Blade has BT
#24 - Blade has BT - rescues BT, who is injured in the fight
#25 - Blade does not have BT
#27 - Blade has BT
#28 - Blade has BT
#29 - Blade has BT
#30 - Blade has BT

#32 - Blade has BT
#33 - Blade does not have BT
#34 - Blade does not have BT
#35 - Blade does not have BT
#36 - Blade does not have BT
#38 - Blade does not have BT
#40 - Blade fights when Namor attacks; no BT
#42 - It is stated why Blade did not have BT in the previous issue

You're deliberately misleading and have derailed the conversation. Moreover your central point continues to derail from my core argument re: standard equipment for characters with consistently varied arsenal.

The robin/frenchie examples are also just poor. A reading of boy-thing's appearances demonstrate the bulk of them are of him being used.

If people do not have the time to read through the issues this is an overview of his appearances:

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix8/boythingav.htm

Which stops at #30, when we're on #42.

Also neglects to mention War of the Realms (6 issues), War of the Realms Strike force(1 issue), and King in Black(2? Issues)
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Your point is that BT has been shown to be used by Blade for weaponry, transport and defence in the bulk of Blade's appearances.

But I have thrown the gauntlet down. Post a scan of Blade using BT for weaponry, transport and/or defense, and I will post 3 scans of Blade NOT using him as such.

Just handwaving Robin as a poor example, when you seemed perfectly fine with Baby Darkseid/Jarrro (as long as he satisfied the criterion ofBatman having/using him for a long period of time) seems suddenly disingenuous.

But we agree. Blade has no standard equipment. Thanks.

Galan is my standard equipment:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=658148&pagenumber=1043#post17390348

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Which stops at #30, when we're on #42.

Also neglects to mention War of the Realms (6 issues), War of the Realms Strike force(1 issue), and King in Black(2? Issues)
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Your point is that BT has been shown to be used by Blade for weaponry, transport and defence in the bulk of Blade's appearances.

But I have thrown the gauntlet down. Post a scan of Blade using BT for weaponry, transport and/or defense, and I will post 3 scans of Blade NOT using him as such.

Just handwaving Robin as a poor example, when you seemed perfectly fine with Baby Darkseid/Jarrro (as long as he satisfied the criterion ofBatman having/using him for a long period of time) seems suddenly disingenuous.

But we agree. Blade has no standard equipment. Thanks.

You haven't thrown a gauntlet down, you're consistently ignoring the actual argument.

Like I said, those examples are fine if they have been consistently shown to be used by the character in question. If they aren't used, and their characterizations aren't that of something that is or can be used, then the examples are disingenuous.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Galan is my standard equipment:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=658148&pagenumber=1043#post17390348

Galan is everybody's standard equipment.

He's the KMC comic book fleshlight.

pocket pussy?

Originally posted by Philosophía
Galan is everybody's standard equipment.

He's the KMC comic book fleshlight.

Stilt will crop that image to life soon enough. 👆

😂

Record time.

I actually have a pocket pussy in my drawer, but it's dirty, that shit is hard to clean