Bet Ray Bill vs Orion.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Well it's all unquantifiable and we don't know what happened, right?

Alfred could be there. Aunt May. Jane Foster (in human form and dying from cancer). We just don't know!!!

I mean, ok, I can simplify the showing. What level of character can be in those panels? Assume they all get a teleportation device to get out when the going gets hot, like Orion.

And what are you basing this on? Seeing as it's unquantifiable and we don't know what happened, as per your words? You can move one other direction, up or down the tiers (or across).

again your point is absurd in the true sense of the word because it misleads and detract from the conclusions being drawn--which is the real issue here.

but to play along with your absurdity, we saw a bunch of aliens on one of the planets who didn't all die at once. give them a boom tube and they could have survived, so....any random alien fits your criteria i guess? put dying jane on that same planet with the aliens. things got really heated for those guys--they were panicking because they realized the planet was about to die--but before it happens she ports out. so yeah, jane could do it. or maybe the golem did a herald my rage blast and just before the blast reaches jane's planet she ports out. stick her in front the golem, like orion was. we see a big glow around them, but they don't actually appear to be doing anything. maybe in that scene the golem is warming up a herald my rage blast. in that case, we could even stick jane in front of the golem in that scene, and if she times it right she could port out ahead of the blast. we didn't see what happened, so it's possible.

absurd answers absurd my friend. 👆

The destructive yield is very much quantifiable up to the point that it levels a solar system. We then see how easily the construct breaks free of Hal’s solid light construct. The thing that can’t be quantified is how much power if any did Orion add to the destruction of that solar system. Neither Killer Croc, or Spider-Man should be used because the blast far exceeds their threshold of survival on average.

It did not make Orion look like he was above the Herald tier. Perhaps the Herald tier needs to be revised and separated into categories. For instance, Classic Juggernaut has showings that place his toughness well above the High Herald tier.

Originally posted by leonidas
again your point is absurd in the true sense of the word because it misleads and detract from the conclusions being drawn--which is the real issue here.

but to play along with your absurdity, we saw a bunch of aliens on one of the planets who didn't all die at once. give them a boom tube and they could have survived, so....any random alien fits your criteria i guess? put dying jane on that same planet with the aliens. things got really heated for those guys--they were panicking because they realized the planet was about to die--but before it happens she ports out. so yeah, jane could do it. or maybe the golem did a herald my rage blast and just before the blast reaches jane's planet she ports out. stick her in front the golem, like orion was. we see a big glow around them, but they don't actually appear to be doing anything. maybe in that scene the golem is warming up a herald my rage blast. in that case, we could even stick jane in front of the golem in that scene, and if she times it right she could port out ahead of the blast. we didn't see what happened, so it's possible.

absurd answers absurd my friend. 👆

👆 that's fine, if this is your stance I'm ok with that.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85

@celey: that's great. But you see, the golem 'feat' is unquantifiable and we don't know how the fight panned out. So anyone can do it.

Was just pointing out Bill could probably be swapped in for that scene based on his cheesy feat repertoire.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
👆 that's fine, if this is your stance I'm ok with that.

😂

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@Stoic
I agree with KMC tiers should be revised. From what I can recall it hasnt been revamped for a long time

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
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Was just pointing out Bill could probably be swapped in for that scene based on his cheesy feat repertoire.

Penguin and a cancer ridden Jane Foster could also be swapped out for that scene based on Leo's logic, lol. You don't need to go that high.

Originally posted by Philosophía
Put your hate for abhi aside for a moment and let's agree that if you change your mind [or I do], you [or I] will acknowledge it. I know the rest have an agenda, but I know I can talk to you. There's never been [or will be] bad blood between us, so we can go at this rationally. Maybe I, or you, missed something.

Agree?

Now, let's look at the issue. I will put this in chonological order.

1). Take a moment and, please, look at it carefully:

a). the Solar System still existing [b]3 seconds before Hal/Kyle arrive as Orion/Golem are in a blast off in space [we see the blast off and the solar system specifically in panel 1]
b). we see the shockwave from their blast off in space extending and approaching the planet [panel 4/last panel]

At this point we have a few facts:
- the solar system is not destroyed
- Orion/Golem are involved in a blast off in space
- there's seconds before Hal/Kyle arrive

I'm sure you agree here.

Let's move on to the next scan:

a). We see Graf [panel 1] feeling the destruction that is taking place on the last panel of the previous page
b). There are 2 seconds left panel 2
c). Orion and the Golem are standing in front of each other continuing their blast off [panel 3]
d). Through Graf's eyes you can see Golem and Orion still blasting each other as he mutters "I'm too late" as the shockwaves expand and take everything[panel 4]
e). 0 seconds left Hal and Kyle arrive.

Facts:
- Throughout this small time frame of seconds, Orion and the Golem are involved in a face to face blast off in space [we see the fight.
- In fact, for every second of this entire scene we see them face to face in a blast off, first through a wide picture of the solar system [not destroyed], then through a close up of them, then through Graf's eyes. This is happening in sequential seconds, in all of them us seeing the fight and destruction.
- we see the shockwaves approach the planets [we see the destruction]
- we have a timeframe [we get the seconds counter

And finally, Hal and Kyle arrive and we see what Graf saw was happening in those few seconds, which is that the solar system was destroyed:

We then see Kyle/Hal after the solar system is destroyed looking in the distance as the fight still takes place..

Only to hear a ping as Orion teleports from out of there engulfed in the energies of their fight:

At this point he is running from the Omega Beams -- i.e. the one attack from the Golem that can truly kill him. [a weapon that he needs to charge]

It is made clear that the Omega Beams are the ones Orion fears:

That is why you see him running -- he fought him off in a blast off [unfortunately for the solar system] until the Omega Beams were charged and then he got one-shotted.

This is quite clear just in case it wasn't, the writer hammers it over the head with Kyle telling Orion not have the blast off with Golem, as it destroyed the solar system last time:

And to top it all of, we have the writer confirming what we already know: Orion and The Golem faced each-other, face to face, in a blast-off in space, in a specified timeframe, with specific solar-system destruction, specifically due to the shockwaves, until Hal/Kyle arrived and the charged Omega Beams hit Orion:

So:
We see the fight [it's them literally standing face to face and trading blasts] through multiple viewpoints [far off, close-up, through Graf]
We see the timeframe [seconds]
We see the shockwaves approaching the planet, we see its destruction felt
We see the solar system go from not destroyed to destroyed, specifically by the shockwaves that are generated specifically by them slugfesting energy blasts
We see Hal/Kyle arriving and seeing the specific spot where Orion/Golem trade off hits, until Orion runs from the OBs.

Now, xJLx, can you honestly tell me that this is not a direct standstill power face off whose after shocks destroyed a solar system in seconds? That Orion in that face off where he stood face to face with the Golem, shown multiple times, until the solar system fell? That Orion stood there and wasn't treated as a bug until the Omega Beams came into place? This won't be conceding to abhi or any shit like that -- you're talking to me.

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Silly post. Despite what Vendetti says, Jane on her deathbed, armed with a teleporter could do the same.

I like it when Dark gets snarky 😖hifty:

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yep. like i said, absurd is absurd. 👆

and i have a perfectly reasonable explanation for for some of the perfectly reasonable points phil raised, but frankly i'm tired of the topic and if i suggest it here it will lead to more of the same nonsense that has already taken place. hilarious this much time effort and animosity has been created by this...feat.

Hal survives the same blast if I am not mistaken in those very same scans. Is it possible that the Golem used different levels of power in it’s attack?

You see how quickly things become speculative to the point that it makes things quite difficult to quantify?

Originally posted by Stoic
Hal survives the same blast if I am not mistaken in those very same scans. Is it possible that the Golem used different levels of power in it’s attack?

You see how quickly things become speculative to the point that it makes things quite difficult to quantify?

Originally posted by celeyhyga17

Still peddling that BS?

Originally posted by leonidas
😂

yep. like i said, absurd is absurd. 👆

and i have a perfectly reasonable explanation for for some of the perfectly reasonable points phil raised, but frankly i'm tired of the topic and if i suggest it here it will lead to more of the same nonsense that has already taken place. hilarious this much time effort and animosity has been created by this...feat.

Yeah, because you have nothing.

Originally posted by Stoic
Hal survives the same blast if I am not mistaken in those very same scans. Is it possible that the Golem used different levels of power in it’s attack?

You see how quickly things become speculative to the point that it makes things quite difficult to quantify?

Originally posted by abhilegend
😂

Still peddling that BS?

Originally posted by Diesldude
or maybe Orion was fighting back going all out?

That could in fact be the case, but can you tell how long he was going all out for? It could have been for hours, minutes, or less than a minute.

The interview doesn’t even reveal that information.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17

Can someone - preferably not a white male - link me to the comic? I was wondering how this thread got so big and it's just a shitshow of interpretations I don't want to read.
Curious like jman's dog at an onion shop now.

Originally posted by One Big Mob
Can someone - preferably not a white male - link me to the comic? I was wondering how this thread got so big and it's just a shitshow of interpretations I don't want to read.
Curious like jman's dog at an onion shop now.

Originally posted by One Big Mob
Can someone - preferably not a white male - link me to the comic? I was wondering how this thread got so big and it's just a shitshow of interpretations I don't want to read.
Curious like jman's dog at an onion shop now.