Hulk vs versatility 1

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
This dynamic adaptation sounds like a forum myth, tbh

He does adapt just not as extensively as Doomsday. The stronger he becomes for example, the tougher he becomes, which is every bit as innate as any other adaptation worth mentioning. His adaptations also depend upon the writers knowledge of the character, as he was seen adapting to certain threats long before Doomsday was ever created, such as growing gills to survive under water. His survivability has even depended upon him adapting such as surviving on a planet with a toxic atmosphere, but for the most part it's like I said, it really depends on the writers knowledge of the character.

Originally posted by Stoic
He does adapt just not as extensively as Doomsday. The stronger he becomes for example, the tougher he becomes, which is every bit as innate as any other adaptation worth mentioning. His adaptations also depend upon the writers knowledge of the character, as he was seen adapting to certain threats long before Doomsday was ever created, such as growing gills to survive under water. His survivability has even depended upon him adapting such as surviving on a planet with a toxic atmosphere, but for the most part it's like I said, it really depends on the writers knowledge of the character.

I think the problem is that Hulk's versatility, whilst tthere, isnt acknowledged by us as much because it just isn't useful on a battleboard.

Let's say I make a Hulk vs Colossus thread. Colossus, one of the (if not the) most limited bricks around.

Thread twist: Hulk is capped at 95% of Colossus' strength/durability/speed at all times, BUT all of his other abilities are allowed. Would he adapt to win?

If you want him to grow extra arms, or wings, or flight, or laser vision, or the ability to control electrons, whatever, then have scans to back it up - but we both know as soon as anyone sees that he's capped in terms of strength, everyone says he loses.

I mean, cut Lobo, for example, and at least something useful happens - clones appear, equal to the original Lobo. Cut Hulk, and...flowers grow?

Okay so I’m curious. You or phil had a bz where one (or both at some point?) used mags vs the hulk. But he was capped at wwh level. You’ve made the claim that hoisting hulk in the air and controlling his blood are both things that can’t be overcome by strength alone. We’ve seen mags control the energy of a very powerful reality warper and extend the range of his powers across a space. So why cap hulk at wwh level? Why not let him go wbh? You asked if odin could control hulk’s blood. But what about the other side? If strength can’t overcome your attack why does it matter if hulk is wbh or not? The energy waves? Mags should be easily capable of bending the waves around him and he’s one of the best multitaskers out there. His shields and energy control should easily be enough to last until he gets your incapacitation win regardless of his level because as you claim strength doesn’t matter. So:

1. Why neuter him to wwh in a bz?
2. What is the limit on mags power? Could he control supermans blood? Contain him long enough to win?

oh and about the flower blood you guys seem to love to troll lol i brought it up for 2 reasons: one, it serves to illustrate that hulk's blood is clearly very different from regular blood. since it's so different, there is a chance mags wouldn't even be able to control it. the she-hulk example fails he because her blood does not share the same properties as hulk's--at least not all of them.

secondly, it serves to illustrate that some of hulk's abilities simply don't make sense, serving to illustrate that he can do things that others simply can't. his strength can and has acted as a plot device in many instances and so while it might not be possible for most to break the control, hulk IS different. even if the chances are small, his at times toonish powers make it NOT impossible. 👆

They are just butthurt because Hulk would sodomize Superman.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
They are just butthurt because Hulk would sodomize Superman.

Hulk makes flowers with every punch he takes until Superman is seduced and they start having multiple rough sex sessions.

Originally posted by Stoic
He does adapt just not as extensively as Doomsday. The stronger he becomes for example, the tougher he becomes, which is every bit as innate as any other adaptation worth mentioning. His adaptations also depend upon the writers knowledge of the character, as he was seen adapting to certain threats long before Doomsday was ever created, such as growing gills to survive under water. His survivability has even depended upon him adapting such as surviving on a planet with a toxic atmosphere, but for the most part it's like I said, it really depends on the writers knowledge of the character.

Is there an example of any writers actually linking dynamic strength to his more unusual adaptation ability he sometimes shows? Otherwise I would put this as a reach. Adaptations like growing gills I definitely would count. The surviving toxic atmosphere depends on how the writers treated it. Did he he actually become immune to it, or was this his durability/healing/both becoming high enough it wasn't a factor? I'd definitely accept if it was some combination of two or all 3 as long as becoming resistant(but not immume) to the toxin itself was part of it.

Originally posted by leonidas
Okay so I’m curious. You or phil had a bz where one (or both at some point?) used mags vs the hulk. But he was capped at wwh level. You’ve made the claim that hoisting hulk in the air and controlling his blood are both things that can’t be overcome by strength alone. We’ve seen mags control the energy of a very powerful reality warper and extend the range of his powers across a space. So why cap hulk at wwh level? Why not let him go wbh? You asked if odin could control hulk’s blood. But what about the other side? If strength can’t overcome your attack why does it matter if hulk is wbh or not? The energy waves? Mags should be easily capable of bending the waves around him and he’s one of the best multitaskers out there. His shields and energy control should easily be enough to last until he gets your incapacitation win regardless of his level because as you claim strength doesn’t matter. So:

1. Why neuter him to wwh in a bz?
2. What is the limit on mags power? Could he control supermans blood? Contain him long enough to win?

2. Does Superman even have iron in his blood? It's red, yes, but he doesn't need oxygen (as evidenced by sundipping), so not sure if it would even work.

Hulk's blood is the best.

59 years have passed and Marvel still can't decide whether it's green or red 😂

Only Bran believes they are consistent when it comes to it. They are not.

I like to note no one addressed my point about Hulk Vs Colossus.

Hell, we could do Hulk Vs Ares, no weapons lol.

https://ibb.co/RgpRVK2

Oh shit, his strength may rival Namor's!!! 😂

Surely hath I not faced a more powerful foe...

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I agree Thor

the colossus point is simple--he'd win and not need to adapt. his healing factor would more than make up for the difference in strength and his endurance far and away exceeds pete's, so hulk would win the fight eventually, no question. but that's usually how hulk threads go--someone feels the need to neuter him. is it a win if you beat a neutered opponent...? meh, not much of one.

but yeah ds, you dodged both my questions: assume superman has iron in his blood. can mags take him down for an incapacitation win? superman has the iron, and can't blitz.

and okay, since you didn't do a mags/hulk bz, just answer this: do you think mags beats full wbh in a forum fight?

Originally posted by Delta1938
Doomsday has adaptive evolution as an established power. To argue Hulk being a lot more versatile than just a brick, they're arguing Hulk adapting. Comparisons to Doomsday are being made. And carter is proving once again he doesn't read comics.

It's not really a comparison, but I guess people are gonna people.

Hulk can adapt, sure, but this thread is getting silly.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Colossus, one of the (if not the) most limited bricks around.

Colossus is no more limited than most of the bricks in and around his weight class. I really hope you're not saying he's some kind of outlier of limitedness.

Originally posted by -Pr-
It's not really a comparison, but I guess people are gonna people.[i]

certainly not by me. hulk isn't darwin, but i agree--people will be people and try and take things to the nth degree. 👆

Hulk can adapt, sure, but this thread is getting silly.

agreed, again. no one (at least not me) is saying this is something that happens often, or that it would 100% happen here. i am saying there is a CHANCE that given the type of attack being highlighted here, hulk's biology COULD change to render the attack useless. are the odds good it would happen? no, of course not, but denying there is a chance? makes no sense.

Colossus is no more limited than most of the bricks in and around his weight class. I really hope you're not saying he's some kind of outlier of limitedness.

this is also true. ben, cage, petey, abomination, rhino, etc.... all share the same type of limits. herc is another one. imo, compared to them, hulk CAN be considered to have a certain degree of versatility.

Originally posted by leonidas
the colossus point is simple--he'd win and not need to adapt. his healing factor would more than make up for the difference in strength and his endurance far and away exceeds pete's, so hulk would win the fight eventually, no question. but that's usually how hulk threads go--someone feels the need to neuter him. is it a win if you beat a neutered opponent...? meh, not much of one.

but yeah ds, you dodged both my questions: assume superman has iron in his blood. can mags take him down for an incapacitation win? superman has the iron, and can't blitz.

and okay, since you didn't do a mags/hulk bz, just answer this: do you think mags beats full wbh in a forum fight?

Well I didn't answer because....you glossed over mine. I asked first - if Hulk's physical attributes were nerfed so he had to rely on his versatility, would it be enough? You can pretend you didn't understand, but that was my point, which I am being clear about here.

Yes, Hulk has some versatility. Is it enough to win matches?

wait, so you're taking away his healing too? thing is both his dynamic strength and his healing factors can be seen as aspects of his adapting--common, the MOST common examples, but still, they are examples of hulk adapting to someone stronger than he is, that can kill him.

so if you're neutering his strength and healing, and leaving his adapting ability in check, then THOSE would be the adaptations he would manifest to win... that's not being clever, that's just what's seen all the time in comics. if you say he can't adapt his strength or healing? it's possible he finds some other way. we know he can emit huge amounts of energy. maybe that's an option he manifests. you always do this same routine--try and coral some definite answer by creating ridiculous situations. would hulk gain the ability to generate clones? probably not.... is it impossible he manifests some different power? no, imo it's not impossible. what would it be? who knows.

so, can mags beat superman? can mags beat wbh?

So a no limits fallacy. Sure, ok.

No, Mags can't beat Superman, as Superman would just win just like he does in comics against impossible odds. How? Who knows. But he just does 👆 we know he can punch really hard really fast. Perhaps another way? Who knows.

Can he win against WBH? Again, no, because Hulk will just do the impossible and win /shrug

😂

no limits? uh-huh. we're definitely done here. i gave you a pretty solid answer given the ludicrous situation you tried to create, and you.... 😂

good talk. 👆