Also, here is Hulk adapting again...
If this isn't adapting, I want you to tell me what it is.
Also, here is Hulk adapting again...
If this isn't adapting, I want you to tell me what it is.
Originally posted by -Pr-
Colossus is no more limited than most of the bricks in and around his weight class. I really hope you're not saying he's some kind of outlier of limitedness.
He actually does have some skill, unlike most bricks.
Anyway, even if you nerfed Hulk below Piotr's levels, he would still have his healing factor.
Originally posted by leonidas
😂no limits? uh-huh. we're definitely done here. i gave you a pretty solid answer given the ludicrous situation you tried to create, and you.... 😂
good talk. 👆
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So from the 'arguments' posted, it's basically of the same intellectual level as 'Batman/Reed find a way'.Good debating 👆 glad we found the time machine back to 2005 KMC, guys.
Glad we agree that it was a good talk, I see I was correct from page 3 of this thread.
Originally posted by leonidasI don't think what he is asking you is as difficult question as you're trying to make it be, leo.
so if you're neutering his strength and healing, and leaving his adapting ability in check, then THOSE would be the adaptations he would manifest to win...
Hulk has his physicals equal to Colossus, and his adaptability is left. No regeneration -- he adapts.
In case it's not clear.
Healing = Healing. Healing is regenerating damage.
Adaptability = Change. Change is changing something into something that is different than was before.
Good?
Great!
Now.
Whatever you think "adapts" mean. Maybe he grows flowers out of his *******. Maybe he breathes metal. Whatever you try to fan-fiction, it's great.
Can he beat Colossus?
Originally posted by leonidas"Probably" not?
would hulk gain the ability to generate clones? probably not.... is it impossible he manifests some different power? no, imo it's not impossible.
Leo, you're making me laugh out loud. God bless you.
No, he won't.
Could definitely see him wiggling long enough for the guy to lose his concentration and fail to maintain his hold on him, though.
Which happens all the time with far weaker characters.
The Force, teke and similar abilities are overplayed on forums.
They are as likely to work as Carver is likely to get a doctorate.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW👆
No, he won't.Could definitely see him wiggling long enough for the guy to lose his concentration and fail to maintain his hold on him, though.
I disagree with the second part -- if we're talking about Magneto, Graviton and whatnot [range + power], of course, and not some weaker being [in which case I'd agree that holding 500lbs [just about?] in the air for an extended period of time as he thunderclaps towards you would not be easy and eventually the concentration would break] .
Ok then. Just wanted to make sure.
Originally posted by Philosophía
👆I disagree with the second part -- if we're talking about Magneto, Graviton and whatnot [range + power], of course, and not some weaker being [in which case I'd agree that holding 500lbs [just about?] in the air for an extended period of time as he thunderclaps towards you would not be easy and eventually the concentration would break] .
Ok then. Just wanted to make sure.
Hulk can adapt. Even Wolverine can adapt to an extent, as revealed in 2012.
But it's not the kind of "reactive evolution", like Darwin's.
Hulk won't suddenly learn how to fly or how to manipulate his mass... or, I dunno, create a nullifying field around him.
I don't think what he is asking you is as difficult question as you're trying to make it be, leo.Hulk has his physicals equal to Colossus, and his adaptability is left. No regeneration -- he adapts.
In case it's not clear.
Healing = Healing. Healing is regenerating damage.
Adaptability = Change. Change is changing something into something that is different than was before.
Good?
Great!
Now.
Whatever you think "adapts" mean. Maybe he grows flowers out of his *******. Maybe he breathes metal. Whatever you try to fan-fiction, it's great.
Can he beat Colossus?
Leo, you're making me laugh out loud. God bless you.
the backseat trolling has been pretty amusing to me too. 😂 figured we were past that, but.... shrug
so ds paints a completely ludicrous situation--removes not only hulk's strength, but also his healing but still wants to retain SOME of his ability to adapt. basically a situation that has...NEVER occurred, yet he wants a definite answer. makes sense. 👆
so what proof do we have? hulk has performed some illogical feats in his day. he has grown a new gland to survive underwater. fury speculates he can live in space. so...is there a chance he can adapt somehow to this ridiculous scenario ds put him in? you think there isn't? why?
anyway, i DID supply an answer--one i thought given the parameters was pretty reasonable. in the given scenario, it's POSSIBLE he MIGHT manifest some ability to help him, ie the emission of energy--something he HAS done. i'd love it if you explained how me, or anyone, is supposed to give a DEFINITE answer, to a purely hypothetical scenario?
ftr i completely agree with stilt and said very much the same thing--hulk's strength would grow and require more and more concentration to keep him restrained until finally he overcame mags' control. no adapting needed--unless we count dynamic strength as adapting, of course.
but seriously, no trolling or smart-assery--why limit hulk to wwh in your bz?
Originally posted by Adam Grimes
I wish you would ask this question whenever speed is brought up, but okay. 🤔
😕
i've never said to neuter a speedster--i said go by what is shown. but it's not a bad analogy i guess. hulk's odds of adapting a new power is virtually nonexistent--similar to say, flash's chances of moving at femtosecond speeds in every fight. both opinions are consistent with what's shown. 👆
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Hulk can adapt. Even Wolverine can adapt to an extent, as revealed in 2012.But it's not the kind of "reactive evolution", like Darwin's.
Hulk won't suddenly learn how to fly or how to manipulate his mass... or, I dunno, create a nullifying field around him.
this guy gets it. i allow for a very small chance of some other survival ability to manifest though. 15 years ago if someone said hulk would grow a gland to breathe underwater it would have been laughed at too. so i do think there is a chance his body can change in a similar way. 👆
Originally posted by leonidasIt's hard to respond to anything regarding this thread without treating it as a joke, tbh.
the backseat trolling has been pretty amusing to me too. 😂 figured we were past that, but.... shrugso ds paints a completely ludicrous situation--removes not only hulk's strength, but also his healing but still wants to retain SOME of his ability to adapt. basically a situation that has...NEVER occurred, yet he wants a definite answer. makes sense. 👆
so what proof do we have? hulk has performed some illogical feats in his day. he has grown a new gland to survive underwater. fury speculates he can live in space. so...is there a chance he can adapt somehow to this ridiculous scenario ds put him in? you think there isn't? why?
anyway, i DID supply an answer--one i thought given the parameters was pretty reasonable. in the given scenario, it's POSSIBLE he MIGHT manifest some ability to help him, ie the emission of energy--something he HAS done. i'd love it if you explained how me, or anyone, is supposed to give a DEFINITE answer, to a purely hypothetical scenario?
ftr i completely agree with stilt and said very much the same thing--hulk's strength would grow and require more and more concentration to keep him restrained until finally he overcame mags' control. no adapting needed--unless we count dynamic strength as adapting, of course.
but seriously, no trolling or smart-assery--why limit hulk to wwh in your bz?
You know, I know, Darksaint know -- hell, eveybody knows why Darksaint asked you that question. It's because he wanted you to realize how your 'possibly' can be substituted with 'you have no evidence'. So once he pigeonholed you into having to admit that you essentially cannot prove that Hulk can "adapt" to Colossus when all things are equal based on actual evidence and not possibly, it's easier to say "this will never happen! Hulk is lowballed".
I don't think he'd develop his dick into vibranium to counter Colossus' metal form because I have no evidence of that.
Because that's what I unfortunately do, I use evidence.
I don't use "possibly" to try to obfuscate the lack of evidence.
You're asking me why I mostly joke -- it's because there's nothing to address.
The arguments are literally not there. His regenerative blood grows flowers and he adapted to not breathing.
And this leads to, uh..
Nothing.
It's good to show he wouldn't die if left in space. And that his blood has regenerative properties.
Great.
But to see you stretch that into .. well, absolute fan fiction and going "/shrug it's possible" would be laughed at in any kind of serious argument based discussion.
It's fun if we're discussing hypotheticals while you admit there's absolutely no way you can prove it and it's just grasping at straws -- but you're obviously not doing that and you ACTUALLY think this disguised made up fan-fiction no limits is valid.
You're passing "adaptation" as pulling new abilities [like breathing in space or farting flowers] that you can't prove.
And you know you can't prove.
And Darksaint knows it.
And everybody knows it.
You don't have the actual direct on panel evidence even close to prove his Doomsday-like ability to suddenly developed nullification fields or flight or whatever shit.