Originally posted by leonidas
(a) i was playing smart ass with ds, (b) i was talking about strength....
Tbf, for a), you need the first part of that phrase 👆
But from what I've read, you've expended a LOT of words to just say 'Hulk will do something to win,what that is, I don't know, and have no proof, but here is his flower garden".
Based on THAT, no, a WBH Magneto BZ is not worth my time, I'm afraid.
But if you are NOT basing your BZ on that, then still no, as I think WBH (as the sole forum member here who has actively CHOSEN WBH in a BZ) would be far too powerful for Magneto to defeat.
Originally posted by leonidas
that's actually a good one carver. but it's this type of random thing that makes it impossible to talk in specifics. if someone said atom beats hulk by shrinking him and stepping on him, then someone suggested hulk would just....auto grow, it's the type of suggestion that would be laughed at. but there it is. like i said, hulk just does weird sh!t. sometimes all you CAN say is hulk is hulk.
It's not really that random.
Hulk has a history of resisting matter manipulation and similar attacks that try to alter him in any way.
Mad Thinker with the tech that was inspired by Ultron's Quantum Molder.
Grey Gargoyle with his Stone Touch.
Kitty with her phasing powers.
And now we can add Goom to the mix, I guess. I'm sure there are more feats like these.
Resisting, sure. That's his natural durability. No one said he wasn't resistant to said attacks.
What's being argued is his adaptive abilities. As Leo would put it, he can't adapt reactively... but at the same time, I'm just saying there's a chance he CAN.
If Firestorm turns the air around Hulk's head into primary adamantium - what, he turns his nipples into eyes to see? Grows extra big ears on his hands to hear? A special gland in his body for echolocation? What?
Originally posted by Diesldude
I think hulk can get out of magneto’s attack by getting angrier and increasing strength, durability.
How? He gets stronger, heart gets stronger pushes blood our faster, harder for mags to counter and control. Hulk is suspended until mags can’t hold him up. This without having to evolve/adapt a new ability like turning iron in his blood into another substance.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Resisting, sure. That's his natural durability. No one said he wasn't resistant to said attacks.What's being argued is his adaptive abilities. As Leo would put it, he can't adapt reactively... but at the same time, I'm just saying there's a chance he CAN.
If Firestorm turns the air around Hulk's head into primary adamantium - what, he turns his nipples into eyes to see? Grows extra big ears on his hands to hear? A special gland in his body for echolocation? What?
sigh.....
show me--anywhere in the thread--where i claimed he could do ANYTHING CLOSE to what you just suggested...
i used mags in this thread because he creates a perfect scenario for hulk. you say hulk's normal abilities can't free him from being hoisted in the air and having his blood controlled--no amount of strength increase or durability increase will free him.
so, let's go with that: mags has hulk hoisted, and even going full wbh won't get him out. mags plans on keeping hulk that way as a trophy forever. (incidentally phil, this also addresses the tangential point you raised earlier)
do you think hulk would just stay that way forever?
if so, i think you're ignoring quite a bit of proof. diesel is right imo--hulk's usual powers WOULD get him out. but if they couldn't, i think there is a chance hulk's body would change. it wouldn't 'overcome electromagnetism', he wouldn't 'create a null field', but maybe an alteration in his blood cells allows him to break free. or maybe something toonish/illogical happens. why? because that HAS been shown to happen, a few times. not sure how you can deny the possibility when we've actually seen it happen. just because the lack of specificity doesn't fit in a tidy manner within the confines of a 'vs match' doesn't mean the support can be ignored.
put batman with prep in a match and what do you get? he wins!! why? because he's done this and this and this and this.... ask what would he do SPECIFICALLY, in a brand new situation against someone he's never seen and has only a basic knowledge of, and what do you get? well, he'd still find a way. not sure exactly what or how, but he'd do something cool. maybe it's this, or that, or the other thing, but he'd do...SOMETHING. more feats for batman? obviously. but hulk DOES have feats.
and not to jerk off stilt--gawd knows he doesn't need it--but he's probably doing a better job of explaining my position than i am.
How? He gets stronger, heart gets stronger pushes blood our faster, harder for mags to counter and control. Hulk is suspended until mags can’t hold him up. This without having to evolve/adapt a new ability like turning iron in his blood into another substance.
i agree 100%. the only thing i would add is that his dynamic strength and healing ARE hulk's natural ways of adapting. now, put him in a limited scenario like ds was trying to do. say his strength and durability are NOT enough to free him and mags is gonna make him a trophy forever. do you think there's a chance hulk's body does....something else to give him a chance to get free?
Originally posted by leonidasYou agree that blood would run faster to his veins so Magneto would lose control?
i agree 100%. the only thing i would add is that his dynamic strength and healing ARE hulk's natural ways of adapting. now, put him in a limited scenario like ds was trying to do. say his strength and durability are NOT enough to free him and mags is gonna make him a trophy forever. do you think there's a chance hulk's body does....something else to give him a chance to get free?
lol, leo.
This thread is both illuminating and hilarious.
Originally posted by leonidasOk leo.
hrm. i agree with typical power set would be enough to free him, which is what was initial post claimed....but yes, i agree it has been illuminating. 👆
I'm not going to let this go, since you're trying to be slippery in this entire thread, get pigenholed, not prove anything, then right back to unprovable random shit.
Do you agree that Hulk's blood would run faster through his veins, and that would make Magneto lose control?
Or is your "I agree 100%" more like 70%, and you don't agree with that part?
Originally posted by Philosophía
You agree that blood would run faster to his veins so Magneto would lose control?lol, leo.
This thread is both illuminating and hilarious.
I think the hulk’s stupid power is that with enough anger he can increase his healing ability, get stronger. If the iron in his blood is being controlled, his biceps won’t help but the heart will sense that his blood isn’t being pumped the right way and would I believe like his biceps muscles, will get stronger just to push the blood with enough force to correct it’s direction. Maybe I’m underselling mags but this is how I can see hulk overcoming this instead of evolving a new superpower.
Originally posted by leonidas
colossus for sure. probably others.
Colossus is no Hulk. I guess this means he can...
Hold
Juggernaut
Superman
Darkseid (no proof he doesn't have iron in his blood and he does bleed red)
Mongul
Odin
Zeus
Wonder Woman
Hal
Thanos
How far does this go? Since he can counteract strength and power, how many of the people listed above blood can he control at the same time ending with him blood draining them? He obviously doesn't need the fts. He can blood control powerful beings without any strain to his power. Mags with his shields up should be unstoppable? Or is this just a Hulk Thang
Originally posted by carver9
Has Magneto held someone as strong and powerful as Hulk in the air? Someone that is physically resisting?
Why would it even matter how strong they are? They would have zero leverage.
At best, Hulk would be able to pull off a . thunderclap.
Also, this isn't telekinesis where they will be holding Hulk by concentrating on a certain part of the body. Mags is literally lifting him through his blood which runs throughout his entire body.
Aaaaand yes, he could hold Superman......if Superman didn't have flight. Or Odin.....if Odin didn't have a plethora of powers to counteract it.
Ww-yes, oh wait, she can fly as well so probably not.
But Mongul, Juggs and Thanos would be same as Hulk. If Thanos didn't blast him or mindwipe him or use magic, or power cosmic etc...