DOS Doomsday vs Hercules

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Because thats why they called force shield? 🙂
I mean you literally can grab his hair if you want to lol
https://readcomiconline.li/Comic/Green-Lantern-Emerald-Warriors/Issue-2?id=58605#23
https://readcomiconline.li/Comic/Green-Lantern-Emerald-Warriors/Issue-2?id=58605#24
https://readcomiconline.li/Comic/Green-Lantern-Emerald-Warriors/Issue-3?id=58607#3

The scan ABHI used as evidence of a shield being up, it's nigh impossible for anyone to grab a jacket or rub someone hair.

🙂

Originally posted by carver9
BEFORE HE CHARGED DOOMSDAY. BBEEEEEEEEFFFFFFOOOOOORRRREEEE!!! Doomsday then GRABBED HIS JACKET WHICH MEANS HIS SHIELDS ARE NOT UP and then he pounded on him which resulted in Guy eyes being closed shut throughout the comic. Now again, I do not care about what Guy had on BEFORE charging Doomsday. When Doomsday pounded on him, he was shieldless and how do we know that? Doomsday grabbing his freaking jacket. If you think his shields are up AFTER Doomsday grabbed his jacket, prove it. It's like I'm talking to a child.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Here, he is shot by a sniper in the back of the head - note he has NO YELLOW AURA AROUND HIM! GIRLS ARE TOUCHING HIM!!! YET!!!:

Guess what - he still had a shield up. Literally says he does.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I mean, here is A WHOLE ALBUM OF Guy FLYING IN SPACE AND BEING GRABBED

https://imgur.com/a/uqNnp

Are Carver and JBL going to argue that he has NO shields up, and thus, a human can fly in space wearing just a leather jacket? Answers, please.

You are welcome, Carv.

Originally posted by carver9
The scan ABHI used as evidence of a shield being up, it's nigh impossible for anyone to grab a jacket or rub someone hair.

🙂

No it's not - Doomsday grabbed him 🙂

We see the same with Superman grabbing Sinestro (with an aura around him), Mongul (grabbing heads) and Mongul again (Sinestro's hands).

Your mistake was assuming Lantern auras are like a layer of inflexible armour that we can always see. Imagine it like having a flexible bag over your head - can people grab your hair through it? Of course they can.

Originally posted by h1a8
He didn't grab the jacket Carv. You are falsely interpreting that.

No, a human head can not smash through concrete ground without being swished flat.

It's better to say the shield was weak vs non existent.

Lol... he grabbed his jacket. It's literally right there on panel.

Guy has taken beatens before from upper tier beings. He's obviously not JUST human level in durability but his durability sure ain't no Wolverine or Spiderman and again, his shields were not up.

Edit... Dark posted good scans to back up this argument.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Here, he is shot by a sniper in the back of the head - note he has NO YELLOW AURA AROUND HIM! GIRLS ARE TOUCHING HIM!!! YET!!!:

Guess what - he still had a shield up. Literally says he does.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I mean, here is A WHOLE ALBUM OF Guy FLYING IN SPACE AND BEING GRABBED

https://imgur.com/a/uqNnp

Are Carver and JBL going to argue that he has NO shields up, and thus, a human can fly in space wearing just a leather jacket? Answers, please.

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
Because it was a friendly arm wrestling match and not a danger that required him to cut loose. He even offered Billy a draw. In character Supes isn't a douchebag.

Originally posted by JBL
When did I say the shields were down? I simply ask a question. I can see if I said he grabbed the jacket so that proves The shield was down. Didn't say that. I swear, the reading comprehension of some people give a valid reason why China and Japan are so far ahead of the United States when it comes to a person's IQ. And it's always the DC/Superman fans that embarrasses the United States.... Now some of you will take great offense at what I just said because you are one of the guilty ones, you're guilty, your friends on here are guilty, so you take great offense and get mad cause I'm talking about you and your friends on here. SMH

You are an excellent example of anyone who wants to argue our education system is failing.

Originally posted by carver9
The scan ABHI used as evidence of a shield being up, it's nigh impossible for anyone to grab a jacket or rub someone hair.

🙂

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I mean, here is A WHOLE ALBUM OF Guy FLYING IN SPACE AND BEING GRABBED

https://imgur.com/a/uqNnp

Are Carver and JBL going to argue that he has NO shields up, and thus, a human can fly in space wearing just a leather jacket? Answers, please.

Originally posted by carver9
Lol... he grabbed his jacket. It's literally right there on panel.

Guy has taken beatens before from upper tier beings. He's obviously not JUST human level in durability but his durability sure ain't no Wolverine or Spiderman and again, his shields were not up.

Edit... Dark posted good scans to back up this argument.

Neither Spidey nor Wolverine are bulletproof. Guy survived a sniper shot to the head, no blood.

Neither Spidey nor Wolverine can go into space without a suit. Guy just has aleather jacket, boots and jeans.

Guy is obviously a high meta in durability, without a ring, in street clothes, lmao. we have been looking at this all wrong. Hell, considering some heralds can't survive in space whilst wearing street clothes, and can be shot by sniper bullets, I'd wager Guy in street clothes is a herald, lmao.

Alright, the scans you posted with Guy was great (and meta durability is nothing when talking about beings like Hercules), now explain Blue Beetle and Booster gold without bringing up pants.

Originally posted by carver9
Alright, the scans you posted with Guy was great (and meta durability is nothing when talking about beings like Hercules), now explain Blue Beetle and Booster gold without bringing up pants.

Because it destroys your argument.

Originally posted by JBL
That's not even remotely true, but thanks for trying. Also thanks for proving that DS agrees with untrue answers. Have a good day.

lol

Originally posted by carver9
Alright, the scans you posted with Guy was great (and meta durability is nothing when talking about beings like Hercules), now explain Blue Beetle and Booster gold without bringing up pants.

Lol where did I say he was a meta? I was poking fun at you, lmao. I was laughing at the notion that Guy without a ring is shrugging off bullets. But it is good that you finally acknowledged it.

Beetle and Booster? Simple. You are talking about early on in the fight, yes?

As the fight went on, Doomsday was getting stronger:

When he first met the JLA and beat them into a coma, he wasn't at the level he was at later when fighting Superman. Simples.

That's if we want to ignore comic PIS. Up to you. Either A: Doomsday is human level (Booster/Beetle), B: He was weaker then got stronger, or C: Comics have this all the time, with Spiderman for example taking punches from Colossus amped with Cytorrak and 20% of the Phoenix Force and Magik.

Talking about clothing being removed destroys nothing. It's a cop out and cheap way of debating and a stale way of avoiding a topic. Hulk pants doesn't have anything to do with him being unable to beat Zeus. You might as well mention pants in any versus argument. Why didn't Hulk beat Zeus? Why didn't Hulk pants get destroyed? Why didn't Prime beat Superboy? Why didn't Hulk pants get destroyed? Why didn't Gladiator beat Colossus? Why didn't Hulk pants get destroyed?

Originally posted by carver9
Talking about clothing being removed destroys nothing. It's a cop out and cheap way of debating and a stale way of avoiding a topic. Hulk pants doesn't have anything to do with him being unable to beat Zeus. You might as well mention pants in any versus argument. Why didn't Hulk beat Zeus? Why didn't Hulk pants get destroyed? Why didn't Prime beat Superboy? Why didn't Hulk pants get destroyed? Why didn't Gladiator beat Colossus? Why didn't Hulk pants get destroyed?

Not that stale. It basically acknowledges PIS. You know you have nothing to counter it - because comics aren't set up for battleboards.

How has this thread gone for so long? I love Hercules, but he isn't as strong as Superman and he certainly isn't as fast. The only thing stopping him from getting completely blitzed here is his skill. I have no doubt that he'll put up a good fight, but he isn't winning.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Lol where did I say he was a meta? I was poking fun at you, lmao. I was laughing at the notion that Guy without a ring is shrugging off bullets. But it is good that you finally acknowledged it.

Beetle and Booster? Simple. You are talking about early on in the fight, yes?

As the fight went on, Doomsday was getting stronger:

When he first met the JLA and beat them into a coma, he wasn't at the level he was at later when fighting Superman. Simples.

That's if we want to ignore comic PIS. Up to you. Either A: Doomsday is human level (Booster/Beetle), B: He was weaker then got stronger, or C: Comics have this all the time, with Spiderman for example taking punches from Colossus amped with Cytorrak and 20% of the Phoenix Force and Magik.

That isn't a factual statement Superman made there and Superman fought him a couple of pages after that ending with Superman saying he's never been hit that hard.

People use Spiderman withstanding those punches. This is where you're going to start throwing out 90 different comics. My entire argument is about the entirety of DOS displaying power levels like this.

I dont even know why I'm back in this thread. 😑😑

Originally posted by JBL
How can DD grab his jacket if his shield was up?

Originally posted by JBL
When did I say the shields were down? I simply ask a question. I can see if I said he grabbed the jacket so that proves The shield was down. Didn't say that. I swear, the reading comprehension of some people give a valid reason why China and Japan are so far ahead of the United States when it comes to a person's IQ. And it's always the DC/Superman fans that embarrasses the United States.... Now some of you will take great offense at what I just said because you are one of the guilty ones, you're guilty, your friends on here are guilty, so you take great offense and get mad cause I'm talking about you and your friends on here. SMH

Got yourself confused from all that lying.

😂

Originally posted by carver9
Talking about clothing being removed destroys nothing. It's a cop out and cheap way of debating and a stale way of avoiding a topic. Hulk pants doesn't have anything to do with him being unable to beat Zeus. You might as well mention pants in any versus argument. Why didn't Hulk beat Zeus? Why didn't Hulk pants get destroyed? Why didn't Prime beat Superboy? Why didn't Hulk pants get destroyed? Why didn't Gladiator beat Colossus? Why didn't Hulk pants get destroyed?

Here is Daredevil, point blank, against Pyro:

KOd, but no burns (look at the area around his mouth).

Here is Nightwing being smashed through concrete walls by Donna Troy, no armour, and he's fine, still backflipping:

Here is Nightwing with armour, taking a point blank punch from Osiris (empowered by Black Adam, remember):
https://i.imgur.com/ajaDhG8.jpg

I can do this all day.

I mean, here is Blue Beetle when he met Kingdom Come WW:

She grabs him by the throat and throws him at a boulder. He gets up, fine.

Originally posted by carver9
That isn't a factual statement Superman made there and Superman fought him a couple of pages after that and ending with Superman saying he's never been hit that hard.

People use Spiderman withstanding those punches. This is where you're going to start throwing out 90 different comics. My entire argument is about the entirety of DOS displaying power levels like this.

I dont even know why I'm back in this thread. 😑😑

Superman does not exist in reality. Dan Jurgens does. I mean, what statements WOULD you accept? Booster said DD was faster than Flash - you never accepted that. Name a 'human' level character in comics, and I will try to find examples of them against 'heralds', or against damage.

I mean, here is frickin' PENGUIN being smashed through bathroom tiles, no blood, no injury:

My point being, 'humans' in comics survive things that no humans IRL can take. Them being damaged at all, in fact, shows extreme power.

Quite why this is all new to you after your entire reading history, is mysterious to me.

I mean, just a couple days ago you pointed out that in comics, the distance one is thrown means nothing to the damage suffered, right?

Originally posted by carver9
Talking about clothing being removed destroys nothing. It's a cop out and cheap way of debating and a stale way of avoiding a topic. Hulk pants doesn't have anything to do with him being unable to beat Zeus. You might as well mention pants in any versus argument. Why didn't Hulk beat Zeus? Why didn't Hulk pants get destroyed? Why didn't Prime beat Superboy? Why didn't Hulk pants get destroyed? Why didn't Gladiator beat Colossus? Why didn't Hulk pants get destroyed?

What does Zeus have to do with anything? 😕

No, it is not a cop out. It's something you are intentionally being dishonest about because you're a hypocrite. Your lazy, weak argument about nudity was dismantled when I pointed out they can make art where Hulk is nude but not actually show anything. You never even acknowledged it.

And it's already been shown Prime has psychological issues with some characters, like Superboy. Making this straw grasping irrelevant even for you.

You've been dragging things on to avoid the fact you didn't even understand DS' argument in the first place.

I can straight up prove you're a hypocrite who isn't being honest, just doesn't want to concede. Should I? You'll probably just run away after.