DOS Doomsday vs Hercules

So Thor being hit in the back of the head with a rock and budging are things that happens all of the time in comics, right? What we are talking about is basically IDENTICAL to that showing. A Boulder causing Thor to fall over and you considered the people that did it weaklings and Doomsday pounding on Booster Gold. The difference here is, Thor after that showing tanked an all out attack from an amped Galactus. You then went on and asked about what power level was Galactus at (we actually have evidence of the power levels of the characters in DOS). So not only did you use the Boulder as hard, concrete evidence of Thor durability but you asked for fts from an amped Galactus to discredit Thor durability. I'm trying to figure out why you're not applying that same logic here and yes, Thor not only survived a planet being destroyed in the same comic, he TANKED an attack from the most powerful Galactus on panel. Crazy thing is, you accept Superman statement about Doomsday POSSIBLY being stronger but you turned an eye on the statement of Galactus being more powerful ever and asked for fts. Lol!!!

You was even asking people what did Galactus do in THAT issue and wasn't accepting any of his fts outside of the issue. 😂

Originally posted by carver9
So Thor being hit in the back of the head with a rock and budging are things that happens all of the time in comics, right? What we are talking about is basically IDENTICAL to that showing. A Boulder causing Thor to fall over and you considered the people that did it weaklings and Doomsday pounding on Booster Gold. The difference here is, Thor after that showing tanked an all out attack from an amped Galactus. You then went on and asked about what power level was Galactus at (we actually have evidence of the power levels of the characters in DOS). So not only did you use the Boulder as hard, concrete evidence of Thor durability but you asked for fts from an amped Galactus to discredit Thor durability. I'm trying to figure out why you're not applying that same logic here and yes, Thor not only survived a planet being destroyed in the same comic, he TANKED an attack from the most powerful Galactus on panel. Crazy thing is, you accept Superman statement about Doomsday POSSIBLY being stronger but you turned an eye on the statement of Galactus being more powerful ever and asked for fts. Lol!!!

Simple.

What were the 'results', vs the 'statements'?

Superman
Statement: 'I have never been punched this hard' 'He is getting stronger'
Result: Physically beaten to death with no weakness exploit, just old-fashioned slugefest

Galactus
Statement: 'I am more powerful than ever before!'
Result: Well...erm...this was my question.

By the by, Thor wasn't just 'budged'. He was knocked out of the air and was on his hands and knees.

And this was when he was amped with PC AND Odinforce.

Originally posted by carver9
You was even asking people what did Galactus do in THAT issue and wasn't accepting any of his fts outside of the issue. 😂

Didn't he ask that because it was being argued Galactus was amped, so he wanted to know what had been done for people to make the arguments they were? Be honest, and if this is the case, this is an invalid argument tiny tim.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Simple.

What were the 'results', vs the 'statements'?

[b]Superman
Statement: 'I have never been punched this hard' 'He is getting stronger'
Result: Physically beaten to death with no weakness exploit, just old-fashioned slugefest

Galactus
Statement: 'I am more powerful than ever before!'
Result: Well...erm...this was my question.

By the by, Thor wasn't just 'budged'. He was knocked out of the air and was on his hands and knees.

And this was when he was amped with PC AND Odinforce. [/B]

And we are back at square one. Doomsday killed the most weakest version of Superman shown on panel.

Thor got hit by a rock and fell over. Superman got...

Knocked out by the gas explosion...

https://ibb.co/2tQ6JWg

Knocked for a loop from pillars falling on him...

https://ibb.co/BTtfXLJ
https://ibb.co/gP2bD14

Doomsday kicked the pillars on him and knocked him out again...

https://ibb.co/gP2bD14
https://ibb.co/986tTK2

There's a scene where a building blows up and he comes out of the rubble saying his legs feel like Jelly but I'm not going to post that because I'll give him the benefit of the doubt that Doomsday stab in the side moments before that could have been the issue there as well. There's more but I think this is sufficient. Superman at his lowest should be able to tank everything I posted there.

So if we use fts directly from DOS (ya know, like we only used fts from Galactus directly from that book) and gather everything that took place in that book including Doomsday punching power and other characters display of durability and strength... you get where I'm going with this. You wouldn't have ignored the scans above for any other character, so why ignore it now?

Originally posted by carver9

So if we use fts directly from DOS (ya know, like we only used fts from Galactus directly from that book) and gather everything that took place in that book including Doomsday punching power and other characters display of durability and strength... you get where I'm going with this. You wouldn't have ignored the scans above for any other character, so why ignore it now?

I'm not going to accuse you of lying. "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."

Lol... nothing I posted there is lying though. Are you telling me the scans I posted above is Superman AVERAGE durability? It seems like I think more highly about the character than you do. I know for a FACT things like that should do absolutely nothing to Superman but I guess you feel that low about the character that you feel that is his average display of durability.

Originally posted by carver9
And we are back at square one. Doomsday killed the most weakest version of Superman shown on panel.

Thor got hit by a rock and fell over. Superman got...

Knocked out by the gas explosion...

https://ibb.co/2tQ6JWg

Knocked for a loop from pillars falling on him...

https://ibb.co/BTtfXLJ
https://ibb.co/gP2bD14

Doomsday kicked the pillars on him and knocked him out again...

https://ibb.co/gP2bD14
https://ibb.co/986tTK2

There's a scene where a building blows up and he comes out of the rubble saying his legs feel like Jelly but I'm not going to post that because I'll give him the benefit of the doubt that Doomsday stab in the side moments before that could have been the issue there as well. There's more but I think this is sufficient. Superman at his lowest should be able to tank everything I posted there.

So if we use fts directly from DOS (ya know, like we only used fts from Galactus directly from that book) and gather everything that took place in that book including Doomsday punching power and other characters display of durability and strength... you get where I'm going with this. You wouldn't have ignored the scans above for any other character, so why ignore it now?

We are back at square one because you keep comparing apples to oranges.

THAT thread had 'amped' Galactus in the thread. So we used 'amped' G's feats.

THIS thread has DOS Doomsday. So we use DOS Doomsday feats (let's ignore his pre-DOS feats).

OK. BUT the crucial difference is their opponents that we scale off are NOT limited to the storyline. Remember, I used Skuttlebutt hurting Galactus? Then used all of Skuttlebutt's feats throughout history?

So in THIS thread, Superman is NOT limited to the DOS storyline. I am consistent, you see. I was asking because in comics, 'amps' don't always show up. Colossus with Cytorrak and Phoenix 5 amp was a disappointment. Sodam Yat with Ion entity and GL ring was meh. Juggernaut gets a new powerup every other week, or Cytorrak gives 'the most power I have ever given to my avatar!!' every other day - doesn't mean jack without showings.

Aren't you the one who argued a day or so ago, that Wolverine being kicked through some trees doesn't mean anything about the damage caused?

So why would Superman being hit by those pillars mean anything? I do like that you are ignoring he was pretty hurt even before they met those pillars (whilst DD is laughing at him):

And conveniently ignore the later explosion:

Where he was still conscious and holding on. A bit larger than a gas station, no?

I'll reply to the rest of your post later, but, the scan where Superman and Doomsday are fighting (Doomsday laughing), I mentioned that, even at Superman lowest, pillars falling on him should do nothing. Absolutely nothing and even during that scene, he was still withstanding blows from Doomsday before and after that. So either Doomsday punches<Pillars or Doomsday punches>pillars but the pillars being a TERRIBLE showing.

In regards to the explosion you posted, we do not know how much of that blast he endured. He fell into an exploding building right after that scene and could hardly walk. So you're either accepting that scene plus everything else that happened after it or exempting it. I said I wanted to exempt it since Doomsday stabbed Superman but it is what it is.

Originally posted by carver9
I'll reply to the rest of your post later, but, the scan where Superman and Doomsday are fighting (Doomsday laughing), I mentioned that, even at Superman lowest, pillars falling on him should do nothing. Absolutely nothing and even during that scene, he was still withstanding blows from Doomsday before and after that. So either Doomsday punches<Pillars or Doomsday punches>pillars but the pillars being a TERRIBLE showing.

I think you and I both agree that the third statement is true.

In regards to the explosion you posted, we do not know how much of that blast he endured. He fell into an exploding building right after that scene and could hardly walk. So you're either accepting that scene plus everything else that happened after it or exempting it. I said I wanted to exempt it since Doomsday stabbed Superman but it is what it is.

By the by, he was literally at the center of that explosion - the electrical line in the first panel is what provided the spark that caused the explosion.

I mean, what is your end point here?

You assert that DOS Doomsday is weak (meta tier) because the opposition he faced had low showings (Superman).

You also assert he was weak because...the opposition he faced had high showings (Blue Beetle, Booster Gold, Guy Gardner).

I mean, which is it?

The first time he was knocked out, the pillars just fell on him. Doomsday had nothing to do with that. The second time, Doomsday kicked the pillars at him and I still feel like he should not have been koed by that. Hurt, that's ok, koed, no.

My end game here is that if you put Hercules (overall Herc) in place of Superman, none of this would have stopped him, held him back, damaged him tremendously... nothing. If you put Hercules in the same spot against the same people in the same comic, he would've done better based PRIMARILY off of what was displayed in that comic.

My question to you is, do you honestly believe Hercules could not withstand anything that I posted above? If Herc was pounding on the people Doomsday pounded on, what would the results have been?

I also want you to be consistent and stop being in denial. You argue one way for certain characters and another way for others. If you can admit this, I can move on. I already gave concrete examples of what I am talking about.

I also want this discussion to end because I know that every mod is in front of their computers grinding their teeth, ready to hit that button. I don't think they realize that my entire argument is based off of things they agreed on and rules they made.

🙂

Originally posted by carver9
The first time he was knocked out, the pillars just fell on him. Doomsday had nothing to do with that. The second time, Doomsday kicked the pillars at him and I still feel like he should not have been koed by that. Hurt, that's ok, koed, no.

My end game here is that if you put Hercules (overall Herc) in place of Superman, none of this would have stopped him, held him back, damaged him tremendously... nothing. If you put Hercules in the same spot against the same people in the same comic, he would've done better based PRIMARILY off of what was displayed in that comic.

My question to you is, do you honestly believe Hercules could not withstand anything that I posted above? If Herc was pounding on the people Doomsday pounded on, what would the results have been?

I also want you to be consistent and stop being in denial. You argue one way for certain characters and another way for others. If you can admit this, I can move on. I already gave concrete examples of what I am talking about.

I also want this discussion to end because I know that every mod is in front of their computers grinding their teeth, ready to hit that button. I don't think they realize that my entire argument is based off of things they agreed on and rules they made.

🙂

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
lol

Originally posted by JBL
Superman said that they were too evenly matched in a contest of strength. In other words, Superman knew they would stalemate, that's why he wanted to call it a draw. If one of them were stronger than the other, the margin was so small that it wouldn't matter nor produce a winner.

Originally posted by h1a8
What does CM have to do with this thread?

Originally posted by JBL
It was a question asked about the CM and Superman arm wrestling. Why don't you ask Prof. Oh wait, he's on your side.&#128077;

That doesn't answer the question.
An you explain why it was brought up in thia thread?

Originally posted by h1a8
That doesn't answer the question.
An you explain why it was brought up in thia thread?

Originally posted by JBL
Why are you in our conversation? We three know why Captain Marvel was brought up. Go ask the other two.

Because I don't understand how it has anything to do with the thread. If it does then I would like to know so that I can give my two cents.

Originally posted by carver9
The first time he was knocked out, the pillars just fell on him. Doomsday had nothing to do with that. The second time, Doomsday kicked the pillars at him and I still feel like he should not have been koed by that. Hurt, that's ok, koed, no.

My end game here is that if you put Hercules (overall Herc) in place of Superman, none of this would have stopped him, held him back, damaged him tremendously... nothing. If you put Hercules in the same spot against the same people in the same comic, he would've done better based PRIMARILY off of what was displayed in that comic.

My question to you is, do you honestly believe Hercules could not withstand anything that I posted above? If Herc was pounding on the people Doomsday pounded on, what would the results have been?

I also want you to be consistent and stop being in denial. You argue one way for certain characters and another way for others. If you can admit this, I can move on. I already gave concrete examples of what I am talking about.

I also want this discussion to end because I know that every mod is in front of their computers grinding their teeth, ready to hit that button. I don't think they realize that my entire argument is based off of things they agreed on and rules they made.

🙂

Ok, since you seem quite salty about things - let's start from the beginning. And no, I am not moving on from this (and no, I am not reporting either). I am actually debating this in good faith - abhi just insults you, I actually provided scans of Guy's invisible aura. Phildo would Photoshop pictures of your lips onto comics - I am actually sitting down to debate here.

Quote the rules which you are basing your argument on. I don't want your interpretations or your own words - I want you to actually quote them.

And then let me know what your interpretation is and how it applies to this thread. Simple.

Originally posted by JBL
Yeah, one more question I would like an answer for.. When Superman and Captain Marvel stalemated in arm wrestling, why didn't Superman use his dynamic strength to win the match?

Because there was no danger of him or anyone he loves dying.
Remember Superman has mental blocks that prevents him from cutting loose unless hes under great duress. In owaw, Superman learned to remove them through meditation.