He-Man vs Wonder Woman

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
He-Man is invulnerable to most physical harm. He cannot be cut, but he can be blinded, deafened, dizzied, and nausiated. He is also magically-shielded from enchantment and mind control.

He-Man can move so quickly as to turn silica into glass, and reverse tornadoes and whirlpools.

He also wields the indestructible Sword of Power, which can project mystical energy and open inter-dimensional gateways; generate cold, electricity, heat, magnetism, and storms; locate hidden and missing objects and people; transmute inorganic matter; and has uncharted transformational abilities.

You have to prove that He-man can't be cut by anything.
WW has a sword that can slice electrons off atoms and has cut high Herald and Trans beings with ease.

Light is more than a million times faster than a bullet.
I'm pretty sure He-man can turn silica into glass with speeds under bullet speed. That other shit is slow as hell.

WW can perceive and move in relation to light. He-man would be a statue.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
^ Oh and he deflects Heat Vision at 4:12 in that video, and the panel makes it clear he had no idea what Superman's power set was.

You also see @ 4:02 Fake Superman approached to attack him from behind as well.

Just thought I'd point that out in case a miracle happens and you want to tell me honestly just how fast He-Man would have to react and move to manage that. This right after he punches Flash no less.

The problem is that we don't know any of these answers. So it's impossible to claim that He-man deflected a beam of a specific speed by reactioning ONLY AFTER it was in the air.

You didn't show him punching Flash do it doesn't count.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
He-Man is invulnerable to most physical harm. He cannot be cut, but he can be blinded, deafened, dizzied, and nausiated. He is also magically-shielded from enchantment and mind control.

He-Man can move so quickly as to turn silica into glass, and reverse tornadoes and whirlpools.

He also wields the indestructible Sword of Power, which can project mystical energy and open inter-dimensional gateways; generate cold, electricity, heat, magnetism, and storms; locate hidden and missing objects and people; transmute inorganic matter; and has uncharted transformational abilities.

scans of the "magically-shielded from enchantment and mind control"?

Originally posted by h1a8
You have to prove that He-man can't be cut by anything.
WW has a sword that can slice electrons off atoms and has cut high Herald and Trans beings with ease.

Light is more than a million times faster than a bullet.
I'm pretty sure He-man can turn silica into glass with speeds under bullet speed. That other shit is slow as hell.

WW can perceive and move in relation to light. He-man would be a statue.

[list=1][*]You cannot prove a negative.
[*]The Sword of Power can kill gods.
[*]He-Man can deflect laserfire. That means his perception and reaction is faster than light.[/list]

Originally posted by h1a8
Deflecting HV doesn't show he won't be a statue.
You have to prove several things.
1. How fast is that character's HV?
2. Did the character's eyes glow first or did He-man react ONLY AFTER the beam entered the air.

The problem is that we don't know any of these answers. So it's impossible to claim that He-man deflected a beam of a specific speed by reactioning ONLY AFTER it was in the air.

You didn't show him punching Flash do it doesn't count.

Heat-rays and laser beams are both focused energy weapons that travel at lightspeed. The only difference is the wavelength of the radiation, which penetrates different surfaces at different depths. In order to deflect the heat vision of Superman, He-Man had to perceive and react to it faster than light travels.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
You can't 'skill' and 'coordinate' your way into lassoing someone who is fast enough to be a blur to you.

Yes, one can. It has been demonstrated countless times. A character with superspeed or teleportation appears to be getting the best of a non-superhuman opponent, only to be defeated, because the opponent correctly anticipated his next move. The opponent did not need to be able to match his reflexes, she only needed to be able to recognize a pattern in his behavior.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Heat-rays and laser beams are both focused energy weapons that travel at lightspeed. The only difference is the wavelength of the radiation, which penetrates different surfaces at different depths. In order to deflect the heat vision of Superman, He-Man had to perceive and react to it faster than light travels.

Heat rays don't necessarily travel at light speed. You have a bad habit of stating false things as if they are facts.
Lasers are irrelevant to the discussion.

That wasnt Superman.
You have to prove that particular HV was moving at light speed.
You have to prove that the character's eyes didn't glow first.

Originally posted by h1a8
Heat rays don't necessarily travel at light speed. You have a bad habit of stating false things as if they are facts.
Lasers are irrelevant to the discussion.

That wasnt Superman.
You have to prove that particular HV was moving at light speed.
You have to prove that the character's eyes didn't glow first.

Why are lasers irrelevant?

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Yes, one can. It has been demonstrated countless times. A character with superspeed or teleportation appears to be getting the best of a non-superhuman opponent, only to be defeated, because the opponent correctly anticipated his next move. The opponent did not need to be able to match his reflexes, she only needed to be able to recognize a pattern in his behavior.

Fact1: Zoom was perceiving things at light speed or beyond.
Conclusion 1:Things like a bullet would be frozen to him.
Conclusion 2: It was impossible for WW to lasso him in that state of perception without moving at least near his perception speed.

Originally posted by Diesldude
Why are lasers irrelevant?

Because HV is not a laser and has nothing to do with the feat.

The feat is inconclusive.
Superman announced his presence.
Then we see He-man blocking HV.
We do not know what happened right before that.
It is possible for He-man to have turned around with his sword up as a shield right before HV was fired.
There are many other possibilities.

Originally posted by h1a8
Deflecting HV doesn't show he won't be a statue.

Of course it does.

Originally posted by h1a8
You have to prove several things.
1. How fast is that character's HV?

Fast enough to fool the entire JL including Batman that he was the Real Superman.

That said it's an energy beam. It should be lightspeed.

Originally posted by h1a8
2. Did the character's eyes glow first or did He-man react ONLY AFTER the beam entered the air.

Given he had no idea what Superman's powers were, and given that Fake Superman approached him from behind, I see no reason for that to make a difference.

I mean Hulk and Gambit's eyes glow, doesn't mean you just assume they are about to shoot lasers from their eyes. Heck Skeletor's eyes glow.

Oh and FYI the whole JL eyes were glowing under the infulence of Skeletor. So completely moot point.

Originally posted by h1a8
The problem is that we don't know any of these answers. So it's impossible to claim that He-man deflected a beam of a specific speed by reactioning ONLY AFTER it was in the air.

Yes we do as the context is made clear. Fake Superman approached him from behind, and He-Man had no idea what powers he had.

Originally posted by h1a8
You didn't show him punching Flash do it doesn't count.

Yes I did:

Originally posted by Darth Thor

It's right before he deflects Fake Superman's heat vision, @3:49.

v=ZnQhopD1zHM&t=218s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnQhopD1zHM&t=218s

I'm not the one who makes shit up here, and unlike you I back up my arguments with feats and showings.

It's not at 218seconds like the link says it's at 3:49 like I said. That's 3 minutes and 49 seconds. And I left the link in case the video doesn't play here. So quit making excuses for not seeing it.

Also you haven't shown anything, so per your own logic nothing you've said counts. Ergo you lose by default (per your own logic).

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Of course it does.

Fast enough to fool the entire JL including Batman that he was the Real Superman.

That said it's an energy beam. It should be lightspeed.

Given he had no idea what Superman's powers were, and given that Fake Superman approached him from behind, I see no reason for that to make a difference.

I mean Hulk and Gambit's eyes glow, doesn't mean you just assume they are about to shoot lasers from their eyes. Heck Skeletor's eyes glow.

Oh and FYI the whole JL eyes were glowing under the infulence of Skeletor. So completely moot point.

Yes we do as the context is made clear. Fake Superman approached him from behind, and He-Man had no idea what powers he had.

Yes I did:

It's not at 218seconds like the link says it's at 3:49 like I said. That's 3 minutes and 49 seconds. And I left the link in case the video doesn't play here. So quit making excuses for not seeing it.

Also you haven't shown anything, so per your own logic nothing you've said counts. Ergo you lose by default (per your own logic).

All energy beams aren't light speed.
Again, you have to prove the speed of the HV.
Its inconclusive to what happened prior to we see he man blocking hv. There are many different possible scenario that could have happened.

Originally posted by h1a8
All energy beams aren't light speed.

Can you provide an example of one that's not?

Originally posted by h1a8
Again, you have to prove the speed of the HV.

What's the slowest visual energy beam ?

https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-speed-of-x-rays

https://www.electronbeamengineering.co.uk/#:~:text=Electron%20beam%20welding%20%28EBW%29%20is%20a%20machine%20controlled,metal%20and%20generating%20the%20processes%20characteristic%20%E2%80%9Ckey%20hole%E2%80%9D.

"A focused beam of electrons, velocity approaching 0.5 times the speed of light strike the work piece

Originally posted by h1a8
Its inconclusive to what happened prior to we see he man blocking hv. There are many different possible scenario that could have happened.

It's not inconclusive at all.

We saw what happened prior. Fake Superman approached him from behind.

And right after he punched the Flash no less.

Quit making up shit because you don't like the feats.

I mean this coming from the same guy who claims Wonder Woman is faster than light because she threw her lasso at a speedster. With ZERO visual evidence that she or her Lasso were moving anywhere close to the speed of the speedster.

X-rays and visible light are both carried by photons meaning that both travel at the speed of light (299,792,458 m/s in a vacuum).

The word "laser" is an acronym[1][2] for "light amplification by stimulated emission of radiation"

Oh you two, lol.

Originally posted by h1a8
Because HV is not a laser and has nothing to do with the feat.

The light from the heat vision is but the heat vision going at his target may not travel at light speed. That’s my opinion there may be scams that have tracked its speed but I’m unaware. So I’ll agree with you heat vision does not travel at the speed of light. WW blocking with her bracers isn’t as big a feat then. 👆

He-man has deflected lasers going light speed. So what are you thoughts on this?

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Can you provide an example of one that's not?

What's the slowest visual energy beam ?

https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-speed-of-x-rays

https://www.electronbeamengineering.co.uk/#:~:text=Electron%20beam%20welding%20%28EBW%29%20is%20a%20machine%20controlled,metal%20and%20generating%20the%20processes%20characteristic%20%E2%80%9Ckey%20hole%E2%80%9D.

"A focused beam of electrons, velocity approaching 0.5 times the speed of light strike the work piece

It's not inconclusive at all.

We saw what happened prior. Fake Superman approached him from behind.

And right after he punched the Flash no less.

Quit making up shit because you don't like the feats.

I mean this coming from the same guy who claims Wonder Woman is faster than light because she threw her lasso at a speedster. With ZERO visual evidence that she or her Lasso were moving anywhere close to the speed of the speedster.

All energy beams are not the speed of light unless stated or it is a laser. Special attributes must be proven.

Xrays and all the other stuff is irrelevant here. You have to prove that the HV is light speed.

He punched flash when flash wasnt paying attention to him. Cheapshot!

Superman was behind him talking. Then the next scene we him blocking HV. We don't know what happened between time.

Originally posted by Diesldude
yes but heman has blocked lasers not just heat vision with his sword.
I agree Superman’s heat vision may not be light speed.

The light from the heat vision is but the heat vision going at his target may not travel at light speed. That’s my opinion there may be scams that have tracked its speed but I’m unaware. So I’ll agree with you heat vision does not travel at the speed of light. WW blocking with her bracers isn’t as big a feat then. 👆

He-man has deflected lasers going light speed. So what are you thoughts on this?

Then he should be posting feats where he-man blocks lasers. Blocks them after reacting to them and after the entered the air.

Originally posted by h1a8
He punched flash when flash wasnt paying attention to him. Cheapshot!

Are you high? He specifically states to focus on the big blonde. And He-Man hits him from in front, not from behind.

Poor excuse given you cant even shoot Flash from behind, let alone from in front of him.

Originally posted by h1a8
Then he should be posting feats where he-man blocks lasers. Blocks them after reacting to them and after the entered the air.

Cheap talk coming from a guy whose posted absolutely zero feats.

The reason I posted the feat is because no ones pulling a trigger, he had no idea Superman has that power, and he was approached from behind. It is obviously an impressive feat even if it isnt light speed.

This right after he punched Flash in the face.

Oh and in another comic he had not only competed against Injustice Superman but had him beat, before unexpectedly reverting back to Prince Adam.