Wolverine vs Superman Rogues (& Hulk is somehow involved)

Originally posted by carver9
Or he's holding back and never intended on grabbing Beast. His goal was to get Xavier and he didn't do that either. His goal was to take out Tony and he didn't do that either. His goal was to take out Reed and he didn't do that either. Take out Strange, didnt do that. All of these beings were right in front of him with his entire intentions on taking each and every last one of them out but he didn't. All of the destruction he caused throughout WWH, not a single person died. Again, do you truly believe Hulk was trying to take out Beast? You do know Beast was koed in front of him, twice, right? Why not just, ya know, cripple him or kill him then? I'm trying to see where you are going with this. Did Beast fight Sentry version of WWH? Is this what you are implying?

So he never intended to grab Beast....but tried to grab Beast?

Weird.

I am not saying WWH failed to take Beast out, or cripple or kill him, lmao.

I am saying WWH failed to CATCH Beast. Beast, who had a guy on his back, lol.

Where am I going with this? It is simple.

Beast, a Low? Meta tier guy, was able to casually dance around WWH, an amped Hulk, WHILST CARRYING A GUY ON HIS BACK.

WWHulk tried to catch him, and WWHulk failed. As clearly shown on my scan. Not saying WWH should have smashed his brains in, or torn his head off, or eaten him - I am merely saying WWH should have been able to catch him.

So there are two logical arguments:

1. Beast is just that fast. Savage Hulk can catch supersonic missiles (thanks!), an amped Hulk should be able to catch hypersonic missiles, Beast is >>hypersonic. Whilst carrying a guy on his back.

2. WWH was written poorly.

Which is it? It cannot be that WWH was holding back - he was clearly trying to finish things as quickly as possible (his words), and he was clearly trying to catch Beast.

I mean, there's a third argument, which is that Hulk simply isn't that fast, but you and I both don't want to go there 😂

I just went back and looked at the fight, you're trolling. He had just got off the ground after the Xmen attacked him. Beast got his a** beat the entire time and easily at that...

First scan, Beast admits he along with the Xmen can't stop him...

https://ibb.co/pjXgT2m

Second scan, Hulk punch him with ease.

https://ibb.co/ZYbDXhM

3rd scan, they remove Hulk healing power...

https://ibb.co/Pr02HWt

Hulk gets dust attacked and still punches Beast with ease...

https://ibb.co/gztMpR7

Gets stabbed in the eye and blasted, punched and still proceed at punching Beast with his eyes closed...

https://ibb.co/vPzp2SF

Beast backed by a team and gets punched again...
https://ibb.co/09CfNxF

The ending results of Beast...

https://ibb.co/Tq5SqPf

Lol... you posted a scan of Hulk getting up off of the ground after the Xmen attack and reaching for Beast. As shown, Beast dancing as you say (hilarious) was NOTHING. Hulk tagged him easily, when he wanted to tag him. F****** hilarious.

Erm.... you are missing the entire point, lmao.

I am NOT, NOT, NOT ignoring all the other times Beast got tagged. It's like you have amnesia, lol.

I am saying that despite all of that, did Beast manage to dance around Hulk, yes or no?

BEFORE they removed his HF, btw. Sneaky sneaky Carver, missing that important point out lmao.

The scan you posted, Hulk was laying on the ground being attacked and gets up reaching for Beast. I need you to tell me what's wrong with this scene for you to be using it as evidence of Beast being faster than Hulk and yes, that was your argument the entire time...

https://ibb.co/ykvQtLN
https://ibb.co/4ZVL2nC

Don't switch it up.

I could see a berserk Wolverine clear this. He hits harder than a high herald if we consider the strength of his claws. Wolverine is a beast. These guys could win of course, but it probably wouldn't be by standing there trading assaults with him.

Lmao.

Hulk had already gotten up. And was trying to catch Beast.

Who jumped through his arms. Then got Elixir to take his HF away. Then jumped far away from him.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Lmao.

Hulk had already gotten up. And was trying to catch Beast.

Who jumped through his arms. Then got Elixir to take his HF away. Then jumped far away from him.

He bounced up and reaches for Beast after being attacked by an entire team. There are so many disadvantages to that showing. I'm not surprised you'll use it though. At the end of the day, Hulk pimp slapped Beast throughout that entire run, easily, without any difficulty at all. Glad that is over with. Now why do you think Wolverine loses here?

Originally posted by Stoic
I could see a berserk Wolverine clear this. He hits harder than a high herald if we consider the strength of his claws. Wolverine is a beast. These guys could win of course, but it probably wouldn't be by standing there trading assaults with him.

Even without adamantium, he was able to hurt Professor Hulk, who is one of the most durable Hulk incarnations.

With those super-senses and super-martial arts of his, anything is possible, if writers so desire.

Originally posted by carver9
He bounced up and reaches for Beast after being attacked by an entire team. There are so many disadvantages to that showing. I'm not surprised you'll use it though. At the end of the day, Hulk pimp slapped Beast throughout that entire run, easily, without any difficulty at all. Glad that is over with. Now why do you think Wolverine loses here?

An entire team of what, heralds? Abstracts?

You have:

Hellion (mid-meta) holding him down.
Mercury (low meta, lmao)
Dust (mid-meta)
X-23 (low meta lmao)
Rockslide (not even on the tier list)
Surge (not even on the tier list)

And apparently, this group of mid-low metas is enough to...what, weaken WW frickin Hulk? El oh El.

I mean, in the scan YOU posted, Hulk isn't even bothered by them - he's casually chatting to Beast telling him he's giving them two seconds to stop.

So which is it, Carv?

1. The Hellions (low/mid metas) were actually weakening/defeating Hulk?
2. They had no effect on Hulk, so he was still in tip-top shape?

I mean, I have showings of Savage Hulk casually healing through attacks way worse than what a team of low/mid metas can do, lmao. Yet you are seriously trying to argue WWH was somehow affected by them? To the extent Beast, BEAST, whilst carrying a guy, was able to dance around him?

OK.

It doesn't matter if they are effective or not, he is on the ground, surrounded being attacked and gets up with Beast coming at him. He wasn't in a position to defend himself (even if he needed to, which he didn't). Also, like I've said, even if he was standing up smiling during that scene, throughout that entire fight, Hulk had no troubles tagging Beast. Beast wasn't fast enough to dodge sh**. Hulk punched, slapped, thunder clapped Beast throughout that entire fight, without missing, without dodging, nothing. So no, Beast can't dance around Hulk because as shown, Hulk slapped him anytime he wanted to. Now I have a question for you. Basdd off that fight against the Xmen and Beast, who was faster, WWH or Beast? Throughout the entire fight, was Beast to fast for Hulk to hit, yes or no?

So am I to assume that Carver threads, by and large, are Hulk threads in disguise?

Originally posted by -Pr-
So am I to assume that Carver threads, by and large, are Hulk threads in disguise?

Lol... I mentioned Hulk and Wolverine fight, that Wolverine can predict Bricks movement by listening to their muscles and it lead to this. I tried to get back on topic as shown above but he can't just like you never, let me win.

Originally posted by carver9
It doesn't matter if they are effective or not, he is on the ground, surrounded being attacked and gets up with Beast coming at him. He wasn't in a position to defend himself (even if he needed to, which he didn't). Also, like I've said, even if he was standing up smiling during that scene, throughout that entire fight, Hulk had no troubles tagging Beast. Beast wasn't fast enough to dodge sh**. Hulk punched, slapped, thunder clapped Beast throughout that entire fight, without missing, without dodging, nothing. So no, Beast can't dance around Hulk because as shown, Hulk slapped him anytime he wanted to. Now I have a question for you. Basdd off that fight against the Xmen and Beast, who was faster, WWH or Beast? Throughout the entire fight, was Beast to fast for Hulk to hit, yes or no?

So you're saying if an amped Hulk is on the ground, he would be too slow to get up and grab a meta tier character? A character who is weighed down and carrying another guy on his back?

Interesting. That doesn't sound like a very fast guy.

So you avoided my question, gotcha.

Originally posted by -Pr-
So am I to assume that Carver threads, by and large, are Hulk threads in disguise?

Or Gladiator ones.

But, essentially, yeah.

Originally posted by carver9
So you avoided my question, gotcha.

Because you hadn't answered mine

But to answer yours, I think they are roughly equal in speed. Beast can tag WWH, and WWH can tag Beast. Neither are vastly faster/slower than the other.

When Beast had Elixir on his back, however, he was able to dance around Hulk. That was undeniable.

Hulk also smacked Beast around, multiple times. Undeniable.

Hence, roughly equal. Same as with Logan, same as with X-23 etc etc. WWH, one of the most powerful Hulks of all time, wasn't vastly superior to them, and neither were they vastly superior to him.

Edit: unless of course, the storyline was poorly written. But you will never admit that 😂

Originally posted by carver9
Lol... I mentioned Hulk and Wolverine fight, that Wolverine can predict Bricks movement by listening to their muscles and it lead to this. I tried to get back on topic as shown above but he can't just like you never, let me win.

There's nothing wrong with using other fights as a point of comparison. You've just gone way, way ****ing past that.

And strayed in to ABC logic a fair bit too.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Or Gladiator ones.

But, essentially, yeah.

👆

Originally posted by carver9
I just went back and looked at the fight, you're trolling. He had just got off the ground after the Xmen attacked him. Beast got his a** beat the entire time and easily at that...

First scan, Beast admits he along with the Xmen can't stop him...

https://ibb.co/pjXgT2m

Second scan, Hulk punch him with ease.

https://ibb.co/ZYbDXhM

3rd scan, they remove Hulk healing power...

https://ibb.co/Pr02HWt

Hulk gets dust attacked and still punches Beast with ease...

https://ibb.co/gztMpR7

Gets stabbed in the eye and blasted, punched and still proceed at punching Beast with his eyes closed...

https://ibb.co/vPzp2SF

Beast backed by a team and gets punched again...
https://ibb.co/09CfNxF

The ending results of Beast...

https://ibb.co/Tq5SqPf

Lol... you posted a scan of Hulk getting up off of the ground after the Xmen attack and reaching for Beast. As shown, Beast dancing as you say (hilarious) was NOTHING. Hulk tagged him easily, when he wanted to tag him. F****** hilarious.

This proves what you just said as wrong. Then, your argument wasn't them being equals, at least I got you to change your stance. Now, I'm getting off of this topic. I'm satisfied with the results today.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
WWH tagged him just fine, same WWH that Beast (whilst carrying someone) was literally dancing around.

I showed Kalibak tagging Max Mercury, a legit speedster, whilst specifically mentioning his speed. This isn't like say, Batman or Deathstroke tagging a speedster - Kalibak specifically says a speedster's speed is not impressive to him, then tags him.

Moreover, you didn't even clarify which versions of everyone this is - Metallo is able to create bodies out of whatever metal he touches.

Imagine if he gets touched by adamantium 😂

Also, Pr, even though you will ignore this because it's coming from me, this is what started the WWH debate.

Originally posted by carver9
This proves what you just said as wrong. Then, your argument wasn't them being equals, at least I got you to change your stance. Now, I'm getting off of this topic. I'm satisfied with the results today.

Wasn't it?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I mean, what is your excuse? That Hulk 'allowed' it to happen? That the writers 'allowed' it to happen? Fact remains, Beast, whilst carrying someone, was too fast for WWH. You can show WWH tagging him, [b]that's A-OK. All that shows is WWH and Beast are in the same ballpark. [/B]

But I forgot, you also said this:

Originally posted by carver9
So you're saying he is slower than Beast and Kitty Pride but faster than X23 and Wolverine? OK, I can agree with that.

So.

Beast > WWH > Wolverine. We all agree on this. You said it, after all. YOUR OWN WORDS.

With that said, Kalibak, who is able to tag actual speedsters like Max Mercury whilst laughing at their speed, will grab Logan, and beat him senseless/simply hold him down. WWH could do it, after all - WWH, who in your opinion is slower than Beast in a well written storyline 😂

Thanks for this.