Originally posted by Silent Master
Stop pretending that you made a good-faith effort. You didn't update any numbers until after multiple people called out your BS. Nor is that the only example of you getting things wrong.Oddly enough, it seems that every time you get something wrong it is in your favor.
Why don't you show us how much of a math genius you are by giving us the odds of that being a coincidence
So you admit you are a dumbass not knowing the difference between force and pressure.
Originally posted by h1a8
Massive is an opinion.
I'm talking about MOS best strength feat against BvS best strength feat. Which wins? MOS obviously.You keep talking about the oil rig when Superman has done many things that contradict that showing.
His powers were increasing means he was learning to do NEW Things (like fly). He wasn't getting stronger. But if he was then that kills your argument. Superman at the end of the film was stronger than in the beginning. Therefore, your oil rig argument is faulty.
He obviously was getting stronger because he couldnt lift the oil rig. He has no big strength feats in MOS. He had striking feats with aid from his flight. In fact he didnt destroy the World Engine until he bullrushed it.
If he was stronger by the end of MOS, then theres no reason to believe he didnt continue to grow stronger still.
You dont get to ignore the Oil Rig feat.
Originally posted by h1a8
Not really. Because pressure is different than force. Almost no one would guess that a hyperthermic needle can supply more than 55 tons of force with just its weight.
An aircraft bullet is many many times more force than the weight of a needle. So it makes since the number should be high.But what does that matter, I achieved the correct answer doing it myself.
It shows how poor your common sense is to even contemplate a billion tons as accurate.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
He obviously was getting stronger because he couldnt lift the oil rig. He has no big strength feats in MOS. He had striking feats with aid from his flight. In fact he didnt destroy the World Engine until he bullrushed it.If he was stronger by the end of MOS, then theres no reason to believe he didnt continue to grow stronger still.
You dont get to ignore the Oil Rig feat.
It shows how poor your common sense is to even contemplate a billion tons as accurate.
Oh no. Nice try being slick. You basically ignored what I said. I’ll repeat
Originally posted by h1a8
Massive is an opinion.
I'm talking about MOS best strength feat against BvS best strength feat. Which wins? MOS obviously.You keep talking about the oil rig when Superman has done many things that contradict that showing.
His powers were increasing means he was learning to do NEW Things (like fly). He wasn't getting stronger. But if he was then that kills your argument. Superman at the end of the film was stronger than in the beginning. Therefore, your oil rig argument is faulty.
Although there is no rule to suggest flight can’t be used to amp striking power, Superman has striking feats that isn’t amped by flight that shows greater strength than the oil rig.
But the oil rig can be ignored if you claim Superman has gotten stronger later in the film. Zod fought the stronger Superman right?
So again, there is no strength feat in BvS that exceeds ALL MOS strength feats. Therefore, Superman wasn't stronger in BvS than at the end of MOS.
^ This has already been answered to death, but your mind doesnt seem to comprehend the basics.
1) Superman could not lift an oil rig early in MOS
2) Supermans taught he needs to keep pushing the limits of his powers to reach his full potential (i.e. train)
3) Superman was lifting far heavier stuff in BvS and JL than the Oil Rig (ergo he got stronger)
4) Heck even his super speed was pretty pathetic in MOS.
Logically proven theres evidence and sound reasoning to assume MOS Superman was not peak Superman.
Now getting back on topic (which is what youre trying desperately to avoid), show me any CLEAR Limitations to Hulks strength in TIH or any In Universe explanation given for why we should believe Hulk is stronger by Avengers1. Go.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
^ This has already been answered to death, but your mind doesnt seem to comprehend the basics.1) Superman could not lift an oil rig early in MOS
2) Supermans taught he needs to keep pushing the limits of his powers to reach his full potential (i.e. train)
3) Superman was lifting far heavier stuff in BvS and JL than the Oil Rig (ergo he got stronger)
4) Heck even his super speed was pretty pathetic in MOS.Logically proven theres evidence and sound reasoning to assume MOS Superman was not peak Superman.
Now getting back on topic (which is what youre trying desperately to avoid), show me any CLEAR Limitations to Hulks strength in TIH or any In Universe explanation given for why we should believe Hulk is stronger by Avengers1. Go.
But didn't you say that Superman got stronger in MOS later in the film? If so then why are you saying his strength is capped at oil rig level?
Originally posted by h1a8
But didn't you say that Superman got stronger in MOS later in the film? If so then why are you saying his strength is capped at oil rig level?
Ive not capped anything.
You need to respond to the above, especially the point about Hulks strength in TIH to stay on topic.
The Superman point was to expose your hilariously bias double standards.
More hilarious yet, theres clear proof Kal got stronger, but Zero proof Hulk did.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Ive not capped anything.You need to respond to the above, especially the point about Hulks strength in TIH to stay on topic.
The Superman point was to expose your hilariously bias double standards.
More hilarious yet, theres clear proof Kal got stronger, but Zero proof Hulk did.
Ok so MOS Superman is stronger than oil rig level. In fact he's as strong as his strongest feat near the end of the movie.
Originally posted by h1a8
Applying his submarine strength then the chains will do nothing. If Hulk is strong enough then the chains will simply snap. Do you think you can strangle an armored tank with a chain? Or will the chain break without doing hardly any damage to the tank?
Lol. How are you determining the strength of the chain? You are seriously saying that if the Hulk wrapped that chain around Aquamans neck and squeezed, it would do absolutely nothing? Think about how stupid that is. How much strength do you feel Aquaman used to surface the submarine compared to how much propulsion he applied? Again, your being obtuse and biased. Abomination would rag doll Aquaman physically.
Originally posted by tkitna
Lol. How are you determining the strength of the chain? You are seriously saying that if the Hulk wrapped that chain around Aquamans neck and squeezed, it would do absolutely nothing? Think about how stupid that is. How much strength do you feel Aquaman used to surface the submarine compared to how much propulsion he applied? Again, your being obtuse and biased. Abomination would rag doll Aquaman physically.
A metal chain should be tissue paper to someone you think is vastly stronger than AM.
It doesn't take much force to snap a steel chain in comparison to exerting thousands of tons of force.
Basically you are claiming that AM is less than a 40 tonner since Abom clearly is (chain is tougher than his neck).
Originally posted by h1a8
Ok so MOS Superman is stronger than oil rig level. In fact he's as strong as his strongest feat near the end of the movie.
What strongest feat ?
Oil Rig was also MOS Superman. But he likely grew in strength after his training.
Now quit derailing and provide proof and ANY In Universe plot point that indicates Hulk grew stronger from TIH to Avengers1.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
What strongest feat ?Oil Rig was also MOS Superman. But he likely grew in strength after his training.
Now quit derailing and provide proof and ANY In Universe plot point that indicates Hulk grew stronger from TIH to Avengers1.
So Superman at the end of the film was stronger than oil rig level right? Yes or no?
Originally posted by h1a8
A metal chain should be tissue paper to someone you think is vastly stronger than AM.
It doesn't take much force to snap a steel chain in comparison to exerting thousands of tons of force.Basically you are claiming that AM is less than a 40 tonner since Abom clearly is (chain is tougher than his neck).
As usual the context and point flew right over your head. Watch the video again. The Abomination didnt try nor had any chance to break the chain. He was being choked out and losing consciousness. The chain was plenty strong enough for that. If the Abomination, or Hulk for that matter, actually attempted to break the chain and couldnt, you might have a point, but that never happened. Your making a pointless mountain out of a mole hill. If the Hulk wrapped that same chain around Aquamans neck and applied the same force, Aquamans head would come off. Thats the difference between Abomination and Aquaman.
I can break various forms of string, but if somebody wraps it around my neck and starts strangling me before I have a chance to do anything, there's not much a person can do.
PS- Aquaman probably is less than a 40 tonner from what i've seen from him.
Originally posted by tkitna
As usual the context and point flew right over your head. Watch the video again. The Abomination didnt try nor had any chance to break the chain. He was being choked out and losing consciousness. The chain was plenty strong enough for that. If the Abomination, or Hulk for that matter, actually attempted to break the chain and couldnt, you might have a point, but that never happened. Your making a pointless mountain out of a mole hill. If the Hulk wrapped that same chain around Aquamans neck and applied the same force, Aquamans head would come off. Thats the difference between Abomination and Aquaman.I can break various forms of string, but if somebody wraps it around my neck and starts strangling me before I have a chance to do anything, there's not much a person can do.
PS- Aquaman probably is less than a 40 tonner from what i've seen from him.
So the whole chain being tougher than Abom's neck flew over your head. If a piece of tissue can choke you then what does that say about your toughness?
Abom tried to pull the chain away with one hand. He failed and the chain didn't snap. Weak ass.
So in your opinion, the submarine feat is absolutely meaningless in determining AM's strength?
Originally posted by h1a8
So the whole chain being tougher than Abom's neck flew over your head. If a piece of tissue can choke you then what does that say about your toughness?Abom tried to pull the chain away with one hand. He failed and the chain didn't snap. Weak ass.
So in your opinion, the submarine feat is absolutely meaningless in determining AM's strength?
No it didnt. I'm laughing at you believing that anybodys neck is as strong as their arms and upper body strength.
Abomination was going out at that point. Anyways, again, how are you determining the strength of that chain anyways. Aquaman got KO'd by a grenade launcher. Now thats a weak ass.
It was a propulsion feat, not a strength feat. He didnt lift the sub with his arms, he just steadied it. Its nowhere the feat that you want it to be.
Originally posted by tkitnaStrength has nothing to do with it. It is about using something to choke (by squeezing) something else without said object breaking. A metal chain should snap before it is able to squeeze something multiple times more tough than it.
No it didnt. I'm laughing at you believing that anybodys neck is as strong as their arms and upper body strength.Abomination was going out at that point. Anyways, again, how are you determining the strength of that chain anyways. Aquaman got KO'd by a grenade launcher. Now thats a weak ass.
It was a propulsion feat, not a strength feat. He didnt lift the sub with his arms, he just steadied it. Its nowhere the feat that you want it to be.
If a metal chain is analogous to tissue paper to my hands then it shouldnt be able to choke me without snapping.
Although we see him paddling his legs (as in swimming with the sub) assume he did use propulsion. His muscles and body still had to be tough enough resist that force without being squished into a pancake.
Originally posted by h1a8
Strength has nothing to do with it. It is about using something to choke (by squeezing) something else without said object breaking. A metal chain should snap before it is able to squeeze something multiple times more tough than it.If a metal chain is analogous to tissue paper to my hands then it shouldnt be able to choke me without snapping.
Although we see him paddling his legs (as in swimming with the sub) assume he did use propulsion. His muscles and body still had to be tough enough resist that force without being squished into a pancake.
And again, you cant comprehend that an item that you may be able to break with your hands and your strength can still be used on a weaker area like,,,,,your neck with success. You just arent capable of understanding that so i'm done trying to explain it to you.
So you finally admit that the sub feat was a propulsion and durability feat rather than a strength feat. Good for you H1.