Trump also claimed Obama wasn't born in the U.S.
He didn't make that claim for Hilary or Bill or John Kerry. Just Obama.
He was also calling for the execution of the Central Park Five back in the day (spoiler they were wrongly accused in the end).
He also told Ilhan Omar to go back to her own country.
No one knows how much of his rhetoric is just to market himself, but I think it's a bit hard to deny his rhetoric is racist.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Trump also claimed Obama wasn't born in the U.S.He didn't make that claim for Hilary or Bill or John Kerry. Just Obama.
He was also calling for the execution of the Central Park Five back in the day (spoiler they were wrongly accused in the end).
He also told Ilhan Omar to go back to her own country.
No one knows how much of his rhetoric is just to market himself, but I think it's a bit hard to deny his rhetoric is racist.
Alright, that's a lot better. Specifics I like, instead of vague assertions. 👆
The Obama thing, yeah, that's hard to defend. I think it may have been playing into his base.
The thing of it is, if all of his targets were not minorities, there would be no suspicion of racism. This is one of the reasons people get "converted" as opposition of critical race theory. Because it leaves no real room to criticise people of color, without being branded a racist.
And lets be honest, people WILL use that as a rhetorical tactic against their enemies in bad faith. No two ways about it, politics is almost universally a game no one plays in good faith, and only cares about winning at any cost.
Originally posted by cdtm
The thing of it is, if all of his targets were not minorities, there would be no suspicion of racism. This is one of the reasons people get "converted" as opposition of critical race theory. Because it leaves no real room to criticise people of color, without being branded a racist.And lets be honest, people WILL use that as a rhetorical tactic against their enemies in bad faith. No two ways about it, politics is almost universally a game no one plays in good faith, and only cares about winning at any cost.
Problem is you wouldn't tell white Americans from the opposition party to go back to their own country. So he brings race into it himself.
It's like you said he was playing into his base.
Like I said myself I don't know how much was due to him actually being racist, but the rhetoric itself clearly is.
Originally posted by jaden_2.0
I love the fact that defence of Trump goes from "he didn't say that" to "he didn't call ALL Mexicans drug dealers and rapists"It's like a holocaust denier changing from "the holocaust didn't happen" to "well they didn't kill ALL the Jews".
Again, forget about Trump. He is not president anymore (even though he did actually win). I'm not playing your disingenuous games.
Again, what Trump said was taken out-of-context. You and others can continue to lie all you like. I know CNN, BBC, and Rachel Maddow have thoroughly brainwashed you all into believing all kinds of lies about Trump so you are beyond helping so I won't even attempt to try but Trump is gone so why keep bringing him up?
Should I keep bringing up all the divisive shit that Hillary goddamn Clinton has said and all the criminal shit she's done? Or what about the left's idol Obummer? He caused more division by far than any other president in modern history.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Problem is you wouldn't tell white Americans from the opposition party to go back to their own country. So he brings race into it himself.It's like you said he was playing into his base.
Like I said myself I don't know how much was due to him actually being racist, but the rhetoric itself clearly is.
Good point. 👆
Ok, let me ask you this:
How many new immigrants are "white"?
I can affirm Italian immigrants DID get told to go home, when they were migrating.
But these days, waves of immigration don't come from Italy, Poland, Sweden ect..
And let's not forget, illegal aliens are by definition criminals. So I'm sorry if I don't share you leftists' idiots views of them. This has nothing to do with "duh, der orange man bad her derp!"
If you wanna come to this country, then come legally for f*** sake, I don't care what color you are. Then you won't take the chance of being labelled a bad person.
Originally posted by cdtm
Good point. 👆Ok, let me ask you this:
How many new immigrants are "white"?
I can affirm Italian immigrants DID get told to go home, when they were migrating.
But these days, waves of immigration don't come from Italy, Poland, Sweden ect..
Depends on the country. Ireland has seen a mass influx of people from places like Poland and Brazil (and let me tell you, some Brazilians are pale as ****).
Australia has issues with Irish immigrants, though to be fair some of the Irish that have gone over there don't exactly give the country a good name.
Though if you're just talking about America... the Irish, I guess? I mean, two recessions in thirty years means people tend to **** off a lot.
Originally posted by eThneoLgrRnae
Again, forget about Trump. He is not president anymore (even though he did actually win). I'm not playing your disingenuous games.Again, what Trump said was taken out-of-context. You and others can continue to lie all you like. I know CNN, BBC, and Rachel Maddow have thoroughly brainwashed you all into believing all kinds of lies about Trump so you are beyond helping so I won't even attempt to try but Trump is gone so why keep bringing him up?
Should I keep bringing up all the divisive shit that Hillary goddamn Clinton has said and all the criminal shit she's done? Or what about the left's idol Obummer? He caused more division by far than any other president in modern history.
1. Yes you are. You can't help yourself.
2. I gave the context. I don't watch CNN. I have no idea who Rachel Maddow even is. I rarely watch bbc news
3. Because its hilarious watching how upset you get. Funnier still is that I didn't even mention Trump in my initial post. If you believe he didn't say that then why would you assume I was talking about him. Even funnier still is that within 2 posts you've gone from "he didn't say it" to "he wasn't talking about ALL Mexicans" to "he did say it but its being taken out of context"
4. Because you don't already? Okaaaayyy.
Originally posted by jaden_2.0
1. Yes you are. You can't help yourself.2. I gave the context. I don't watch CNN. I have no idea who Rachel Maddow even is. I rarely watch bbc news
3. Because its hilarious watching how upset you get. Funnier still is that I didn't even mention Trump in my initial post. If you believe he didn't say that then why would you assume I was talking about him. Even funnier still is that within 2 posts you've gone from "he didn't say it" to "he wasn't talking about ALL Mexicans" to "he did say it but its being taken out of context"
4. Because you don't already? Okaaaayyy.
Given current trends of tagging Trump and his supporters as xenophobes, his was a reasonable assumption (As was mine).
Its you who failed to provide context.
Originally posted by cdtmOne of the interesting things about Italian and Irish immigration though is that often times the malice towards them tends to dissipate after a generation or two as it becomes harder to tell them apart from the rest of majority population of their time.
Good point. 👆Ok, let me ask you this:
How many new immigrants are "white"?
I can affirm Italian immigrants DID get told to go home, when they were migrating.
But these days, waves of immigration don't come from Italy, Poland, Sweden ect..
Originally posted by Newjak
One of the interesting things about Italian and Irish immigration though is that often times the malice towards them tends to dissipate after a generation or two as it becomes harder to tell them apart from the rest of majority population of their time.
Oh that is interesting.
Originally posted by Darth ThorLike people tend to forget that there have been multiple times in history of the U.S. where Irish have immigrated to the U.S. Most are familiar with the famine one which was the largest one yes but before that there was still sustained Irish immigration to the U.S. over the previous 100 year before the famine.
Oh that is interesting.
Originally posted by Newjak
One of the interesting things about Italian and Irish immigration though is that often times the malice towards them tends to dissipate after a generation or two as it becomes harder to tell them apart from the rest of majority population of their time.
Maybe there's no malice now, but there was plenty back then. Especially when they were catholics.
Originally posted by -Pr-Oh definitely.
Maybe there's no malice now, but there was plenty back then. Especially when they were catholics.
I just wanted point out that comparing the struggles of the Irish and Italian immigration events to the more ethnically diverse immigration we see today or the slave trade there is that one major difference.
That being that the Irish and Italians could more easily blend into the white culture within a generation or two. That wasn't and isn't the case for other types of immigrants where race can still cause problems generations later.
Originally posted by cdtm
Given current trends of tagging Trump and his supporters as xenophobes, his was a reasonable assumption (As was mine).Its you who failed to provide context.
Seems to me like you do think he said it but like to pretend he didn't.
That happens a lot with Trumo and his supporters.
Like when he didn't encourage his supporters to assault people at his rallies.
Or the multitude of things he said about Covid then denied saying