Originally posted by abhilegend
Nah, they get damaged all the time.
Well yeah, but typically by people like Dr. Strange, from what I have seen.
Except we know that the gravitational binding force is weaker in Dark Dimension and matter is more fragile.
You would have to prove that the gravitational force is weaker. And if it was, an earth-sized planet would have much less surface gravity than Earth.
Originally posted by Endless Mike
Certainly interesting, but again it seems that the physics are quite odd as dimensional portals are a consequence of this. That second scan even says that "there is no gravity as we know it". So how would you evaluate that feat then?
Mind you they thought they were still in Dark Dimension so no need to hold back as reminded by Amadeus.
Well the fact that they thought they were still in the Dark Dimension means that the planet there had surface gravity effectively identical to Earth, as otherwise they would notice the gravity changing abruptly. So even if gravity is not constant throughout the Dark Dimension, it seems to have been relatively of the same strength in that particular area.
Originally posted by abhilegend
They were 500 feet tall, gravity was least of their concern lol.
They would have still felt a difference if it was in any way significant.
Of course in fiction gravity of different planets and such is something that authors usually don't think about that often, so unless the gravity of a particular body is stated to be different from Earth standard, if you have characters walking around on it like they would on Earth, and not noting any difference, it's probably something the author didn't bother to think of. But for calculation purposes the best method is to assume it's the same unless stated or shown otherwise.
But since the gravity in the Dark Dimension is variable and sometimes doesn't even behave like gravity, then it is hard to say for sure.
Originally posted by abhilegend
That's why the feat is not quantifiable. If the gravity was similar and Hulk wasn't holding back, Earth should be destroyed just like the planet in Dark Dimension.But it didn't.
Again, I think that's a pretty bad argument, as you could make the lack of collateral damage case for any fictional super powered characters. So going by that standard, the only characters who could actually destroy a planet are those who did so every time they fought on or anywhere near a planet... which is probably not a very big list.
Originally posted by carver9
@Dark, when did Hulk wish for his enemies to die?
Originally posted by abhilegend
But it wasn't lack of damage, Amadeus noted they could break the planet after all.The feat requires so much denial that its almost funny.
That is a lack of damage, because the planet wasn't destroyed but it was stated to be in danger. That's very common with this kind of thing. If every super powered fictional character did the full amount of damage they would realistically cause every time they fought, there wouldn't be many places left to fight in.
Originally posted by Endless Mike
Again, I think that's a pretty bad argument, as you could make the lack of collateral damage case for any fictional super powered characters. So going by that standard, the only characters who could actually destroy a planet are those who did so every time they fought on or anywhere near a planet... which is probably not a very big list.
But other characters aren't defined by their ability to break worlds. WBH is
It's like having a character called Flying Man.....have him fly in one issue (his only appearance to date)....then a few pages later, show that he actually moves around by jumping really high and gliding around, and doesn't actually use powered flight.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
But other characters aren't defined by their ability to break worlds. WBH isIt's like having a character called Flying Man.....have him fly in one issue (his only appearance to date)....then a few pages later, show that he actually moves around by jumping really high and gliding around, and doesn't actually use powered flight.
That would maybe make sense if that Dark Dimension thing was the Hulk's only planet level feat ever (in which case it would be an outlier), but it's not.
Originally posted by Endless Mike
That would maybe make sense if that Dark Dimension thing was the Hulk's only planet level feat ever (in which case it would be an outlier), but it's not.
Well, am talking specifically about WBH and that storyline. Where we finally see the World Breaker. A scant few pages prior, we are shown that collateral damage is taken into account - WBHs most impressive feat is all collateral damage, after all. So to say the writer doesn't take collateral damage into account, when the centrepiece is all collateral damage, is strange.
But it's all by the by. You and abhi both agree it's unquantifiable, due to the weaker and wonky gravity.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Well, am talking specifically about WBH and that storyline. Where we finally see the World Breaker. A scant few pages prior, we are shown that collateral damage is taken into account - WBHs most impressive feat is all collateral damage, after all. So to say the writer doesn't take collateral damage into account, when the centrepiece is all collateral damage, is strange.But it's all by the by. You and abhi both agree it's unquantifiable, due to the weaker and wonky gravity.
Perhaps not as strictly, but I would definitely call it at least planet level. Of course I would say that by itself is probably not nearly enough to accomplish the task in the OP of this thread, based on what I have heard of that feat. Even using the Hulk's best showings ever he would probably fail. But combined with everyone else in the OP? I'd have to read the story arc to get a better opinion.
Originally posted by Endless Mike
Perhaps not as strictly, but I would definitely call it at least planet level. Of course I would say that by itself is probably not nearly enough to accomplish the task in the OP of this thread, based on what I have heard of that feat. Even using the Hulk's best showings ever he would probably fail. But combined with everyone else in the OP? I'd have to read the story arc to get a better opinion.
Then there is the (slightly) different argument from me, that there were other factors than pure strength at play here. Which acknowledges how Earth was spared whilst Umar's realm was destroyed.
Originally posted by Endless Mike
Perhaps not as strictly, but I would definitely call it at least planet level. Of course I would say that by itself is probably not nearly enough to accomplish the task in the OP of this thread, based on what I have heard of that feat. Even using the Hulk's best showings ever he would probably fail. But combined with everyone else in the OP? I'd have to read the story arc to get a better opinion.
https://m.imgur.com/gallery/JH6G4wN
Like I said they'd be lucky to tickle him.
Originally posted by Endless Mike
They would have still felt a difference if it was in any way significant.Of course in fiction gravity of different planets and such is something that authors usually don't think about that often, so unless the gravity of a particular body is stated to be different from Earth standard, if you have characters walking around on it like they would on Earth, and not noting any difference, it's probably something the author didn't bother to think of. But for calculation purposes the best method is to assume it's the same unless stated or shown otherwise.
But since the gravity in the Dark Dimension is variable and sometimes doesn't even behave like gravity, then it is hard to say for sure.
The problem I think is Carver's BS back at these days when he tried to argue the planet-busting feat Superman performed( Abhi already posted it). Like saying the planet was small(never mentioned), the planet was hollow(never mentioned), Superman's punch touched the ground(doesn't make any sense argument)
If we overanalyze these two feats( Hulk's, Superman's). Superman's based on the calculator you posted(also, thanks for affording it) and some retrospects, you can argue the planet Superman shattered was more durable than Earth
This argument I basically copypasted philo's, which a few slight changes
The planet gravity was so strong, that Superman couldn't reach escape velocity even when he first step foot in there.
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/41201988/IkXEvFu.jpg.html
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/41201989/R0Rb3AB.jpg.html
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/41201990/jDZgEvD.jpg.html
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/41201991/yLgT9RD.jpg.html
By comparison, on Earth, even young 'Golden Age/Who didn't how to fly' Supes easily does it:
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/41201992/5559036-runs20at20252C00020mph201.jpg.html
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/41201992/5559036-runs20at20252C00020mph201.jpg.html
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/41201994/5559038-runs20at20252C00020mph203.jpg.html
And when Superman(post crisis Superman, who is still weaker than Rebirth Superman) learned how to fly, he can instantly reach mach 50, even 1000
https://ibb.co/nLWr62H
https://ibb.co/NZVyhT3
Then we have the calcutor which gives us the amount energy you need to generate to reduce a planet to rubble
Even we assume the planet Superman shattered was pluto in size, the planet would have comparable GBE to Earth when it's escape velocity is mach 50(17km/s)
https://ibb.co/5KBdZ0M
https://ibb.co/7YF9MMJ
It would also require a far large force to shatter the planet if it's escape velocity is mach 1000
https://ibb.co/bJy3ZsS
But I digress, anyway I agreed with your interpretation. Most time, the writers wouldn't bother to check
