Originally posted by carver9
Or you all could just be wrong, lol.
Sure, Carvy, sure 😛
Originally posted by carver9
Or you all could just be wrong, lol.
Sure, Carvy, sure 😛
Originally posted by carver9
Because Superman stalemated against someone who isn't as powerful as Ann Hulk, Damage. Or him losing to Kalibak... he have his loses against weaker beings.Guess you didn't read the Masterson fight. Gladiator was standing over a limped Masterson and Living Lightning was flying by. Thor controlled living lightning and snuck attacked Gladiator in the back and it stunned him. After that, Masterson pounded on him. Before this, Masterson was getting destroyed.
Also, Masterson is magical, strong AF and powerful. He have the power to defeat Superman. Let me know if you need scans proving this.
I've never said Gladiator would pull a majority against Supes but he can most def win. Darkseid has defeated Superman. They just fought and Supes wasn't doing so well. What Brainiac fight are you talking about? Are you talking about DOS Doomsday? If so, Gladiator should be more than capable. What fight have Supes defeated Doomsday (no plot, please)?
Guess you forgot about Thanos saying Gladiator is the most dangerous on a team filled with high Heralds? Or Gladiator wrecking Beta Ray Bill. Or Gladiator choking Jane Thor to sleep with one hand. The same Jane that later fought the Phoenix Force. Then you talk about hanging with characters. Gladiator fought the entire Phoenix five members and temporarily held his own.
If Superman beats the same guy that he lost to, doesn’t that mean that he held back in their first encounter? It has to mean that, because when he stopped holding back against Darkseid he won with near ease. Beating him so badly that he couldn’t open his eyes any longer. Superman gave him lumps, while Anni-Hulk gave Gladiator lumps.
You want to acknowledge how powerful Masterson Thor is, but compared to Thanos he would do worse than Beta Ray Bill did against him. This shows us that Thanos is above these guys. It also shows that Anni-Hulk is above Gladiator.
Superman’s best non amplified showings has him operating at the physical level of Tyrant these days. Gladiator is well below this level. You’ve made it seem as if Damage is weak. He nearly choked the life out of Wonder Woman. He’d probably choke the life out of Gladiator as well.
Post or make mention of just two showings that shows Gladiator coming back from the brink of a loss, and turning it around to win the contest. Just two times.
Originally posted by Booya_69
Yup. He went toe to toe with hulk till he burned out. He faced death/defeat against the avengers and didn't flee in siege. He stuck around after a heavy mental attack by doom. It's not a given.
Stoic, you're all over the place, bro.
He wasn’t dead, because he can’t die. Getting into a Sentry discussion is pointless. Bob hates being outside of the four walls in his house because of his phobias. The Sentry is complicated. Superman could literally talk the Sentry down after taking care of the clones.
There are plenty of reasons why two characters fighting won't always end up the same way. In fact, it's realistic for a fight to end in a loss sometimes, and in a win other times. That's generally how it is in real life, unless the disparity in power/skill is enormous. Some people seem to have the idea that if someone is even slightly stronger/faster/better than their opponent, they will win 100% of the time, and that makes no sense IMO.
Originally posted by Astner
Is it really fair to use a nonsensical feat? In a fraction of a nanosecond the sound of their voices wouldn't even be carried a ten-thousandth of an inch, let alone the distance required to reach the ears of the others.I was thinking feats of big three: A destructive feat, a durability feat, and a speed feat.
And we're not going to wrangle here with warm-ups and whatnot. You post the feats you consider to be the absolute best feats of these categories and I'll respond.
Also, we're talking about Rebirth Superman, not Pre-Crisis. Superman has only been around for ten to twenty years according to the timescale,
we need a mod ruling on this, ask galan, because i'm pretty sure unless specifically stated dc characters are composite canon at this point. at least on this site. there is no such thing as rebirth superman anymore
superman wins even just using feats from past 10 years, wins easily either way
Originally posted by abhilegend
How does marvel reconcile its confusing continuity? DC is simply doing the same, pretending there's no continuity issue.
pretty much, marvel fans hold continuity on such high standard for anything dc related but they ignore their own continuity mess.
hyperion, gladiator, count nefaria are on completely different levels through out decades
Originally posted by Endless MikeThat is so true. People think that when Superman loses a fight, and then wins next time, he was holding back. That's a bunch of crap. Superman can lose to black Adam Monday, best black Adam Tuesday and lose to black Adam Wednesday.
There are plenty of reasons why two characters fighting won't always end up the same way. In fact, it's realistic for a fight to end in a loss sometimes, and in a win other times. That's generally how it is in real life, unless the disparity in power/skill is enormous. Some people seem to have the idea that if someone is even slightly stronger/faster/better than their opponent, they will win 100% of the time, and that makes no sense IMO.
Originally posted by h1a8
Almost Every feat is nonsensical. For example, it's physically impossible for a human sized character to lift 100tons or punch someone into space without going through the the ground like a hot knife through butter.
I'm not dismissing the feat, but it's a very peculiar request because it's not a feat that would get past editors today.
Originally posted by h1a8
Clearly the writer intended for the time to be an actual fraction of a second.
Originally posted by h1a8
But that's not Superman's most impressive feat. It's the femptosecond feat.Gladiator best perception feat is like a punch thrown in a nanosecond. A femptosecond to a nanosecond is like a second compared to 11.57 days.
The point of my argument was to show that consistently they're comparable. Now Superman has a lot more appearances than Gladiator, so he's going to have a lot more high showings, but he's also going to have a lot more low showings.
That said, Gladiator's blink-punch would be just as an impressive for Superman as it was for Gladiator.
Originally posted by Astner
Yes, but not all silly feats are equally nonsensical. This is where the suspension of disbeleif comes in. In this case, the characters in the thread can counteract Newton's second law with flight. But having a conversation in a fraction of a nanosecond can't be explained in a similar way.I'm not dismissing the feat, but it's a very peculiar request because it's not a feat that would get past editors today.
The intention of the writer never matters. What matters is how it's written.
Phil would not have brought up the nanosecond conversation for Silver Age Superman if he didn't consider it impressive. Which proves my point.
The point of my argument was to show that consistently they're comparable. Now Superman has a lot more appearances than Gladiator, so he's going to have a lot more high showings, but he's also going to have a lot more low showings.
That said, Gladiator's blink-punch would be just as an impressive for Superman as it was for Gladiator.
Phil brought it up as a warm-up. So h1's statement - that the femtosecond feat is THE most impressive - doesn't exclude Phil's, which is here is AN impressive feat.
Originally posted by Astner
Yes, but not all silly feats are equally nonsensical. This is where the suspension of disbeleif comes in. In this case, the characters in the thread can counteract Newton's second law with flight. But having a conversation in a fraction of a nanosecond can't be explained in a similar way.I'm not dismissing the feat, but it's a very peculiar request because it's not a feat that would get past editors today.
You have too much faith in them. It still happened in Final Crisis
https://ibb.co/g99PHgX
Originally posted by Astner
Phil would not have brought up the nanosecond conversation for Silver Age Superman if he didn't consider it impressive. Which proves my point.
It was Post-Crisis, Byrne Era Superman though. Action Comics Weekly #642, released in 1989
Originally posted by Astner
Yes, but not all silly feats are equally nonsensical. This is where the suspension of disbeleif comes in. In this case, the characters in the thread can counteract Newton's second law with flight. But having a conversation in a fraction of a nanosecond can't be explained in a similar way.I'm not dismissing the feat, but it's a very peculiar request because it's not a feat that would get past editors today.
The intention of the writer never matters. What matters is how it's written.
Phil would not have brought up the nanosecond conversation for Silver Age Superman if he didn't consider it impressive. Which proves my point.
The point of my argument was to show that consistently they're comparable. Now Superman has a lot more appearances than Gladiator, so he's going to have a lot more high showings, but he's also going to have a lot more low showings.
That said, Gladiator's blink-punch would be just as an impressive for Superman as it was for Gladiator.
Phil brought it up as a warm-up. So h1's statement - that the femtosecond feat is THE most impressive - doesn't exclude Phil's, which is here is AN impressive feat.
Moreover, what's your demarcation line for nonsense? Do you look at mutant powers and allow physical mutations (fur/claws) then ignore weather manipulation?
Originally posted by MrMind
pretty much, marvel fans hold continuity on such high standard for anything dc related but they ignore their own continuity mess.hyperion, gladiator, count nefaria are on completely different levels through out decades
I'm a fan of both, but I just tend to go with the system of consistent high-ends (i.e. high-end feats that have some corroboration and are not huge outliers).
Originally posted by MrMind
we need a mod ruling on this, ask galan, because i'm pretty sure unless specifically stated dc characters are composite canon at this point. at least on this site. there is no such thing as rebirth superman anymore
And inconsitencies is not a one-way street.
- Superman (2011) #13
- Superman: The Doomsday Wars
Superman can bench press the weight equivallent to the mass of the planet, but he also struggles to lift 775,000 lbs?
And the worst part is that you don't get to choose.
Why would anyone in their right mind want to introduce this mess?
Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
You have too much faith in them. It still happened in Final Crisis
https://ibb.co/g99PHgXIt was Post-Crisis, Byrne Era Superman though. Action Comics Weekly #642, released in 1989
Well the Flashes have the Speedforce excuse.
I just tend to chalk other feats like this up to the talking is a free action trope.
Originally posted by Astner
It's a moot point, because Clark is currently dead, so we're not going to get any more feats from him for a while.And inconsitencies is not a one-way street.
- Superman (2011) #13
- Superman: The Doomsday Wars
Superman can bench press the weight equivallent to the mass of the planet, but he also struggles to lift 775,000 lbs?
And the worst part is that you don't get to choose.
Why would anyone in their right mind want to introduce this mess?
Hence the full capacity rule. Plus, inconsistencies occur in EVERY period, with EVERY character.
Originally posted by Endless Mike
Well the Flashes have the Speedforce excuse.I just tend to chalk other feats like this up to the talking is a free action trope.
I don't think it was the case in Final Crisis. Before that, the comics spefically talked about sound couldn't catch them so they couldn't talk
But later, when they reach lightspeed/FTL speed, they talk with each other(as the scan above shows). So I would tend to chalk it to 'talking is a free action' trope/they can talk when the plot calls for it
