Abortion

Originally posted by Cyber Ninja
you posted that first in this thread and I qouted that one when i saw it and typed a reponse and posted it ..

Shut up with the childish demeanour bullshit.

Tsk tsk, keep convincing yourself of that Cyber. Maybe it'll come true.

Stop acting like a child and I'll stop saying it, deal? Good. No need to continue this then is there? We know where we stand. I know that you don't agree with me, you're welcome to disagree in a mature fashion, just stop trolling me like an dedicated fanboy, cool? Sweeeet.

-AC

Originally posted by soleran30
Its phrases like that which will be put to an axe by an attorney and clearly defined to minimize rights...........

However in a rare piece where a "fetus," one day before birth should be aborted then murder does place a spot on the law books if someone would like to contest the abortion given the right situation.

The cases have occurred, and the definition stood.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Tsk tsk, keep convincing yourself of that Cyber. Maybe it'll come true.

Stop acting like a child and I'll stop saying it, deal? Good. No need to continue this then is there? We know where we stand. I know that you don't agree with me, you're welcome to disagree in a mature fashion, just stop trolling me like an dedicated fanboy, cool? Sweeeet.

-AC

"Stop being a stupid, childish and pathetic idiot."

to the new one so don't bullshit around

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Hahahahaha. Funniest comment ever.

The law and legal terms suck.....because they don't adhere to your blinkered and unfounded opinion that abortion is murder, but do infact directly counter it? Odd view. By odd I do most definitely mean ridiculous.

-AC

I have the right to believe that abortion is murder, and the law should respect that.

You have no respect whatsoever for those with opinions different to your own.

Originally posted by Victor Von Doom
The cases have occurred, and the definition stood.

1 day before birth and the case stood? Maybe I should slow down and say in the USA has this piece been before a court in the USA and been thrown out due to a current definition of murder.

Its my understanding the law is a changing and growing monster so what today is right the same piece can be wrong tomorrow based upon the mora's and such of a growing soceity.

Originally posted by Cyber Ninja
You posted that reply in here first. In the Pm yoiu just gave me after I replied in here you added

"Stop being a stupid, childish and pathetic idiot."

to the new one so don't bullshit around

Why are you continuing this? Seriously? We both know it's not true. Just leave it, you've sunk so low that now you're trying to prove things that didn't even happen man. I've PMed you in an attempt to get this out of the thread, you didn't PM me back, you replied here. The thread is no place for this. Come on.

-AC

Originally posted by Makedde
I have the right to believe that abortion is murder, and the law should respect that.

You have no respect whatsoever for those with opinions different to your own.

I respect your right to the opinion, but what you have to understand is that what you believe, as said before, is not relevant to what actually is.

Abortion is not murder, by definition and legality. End.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Why are you continuing this? Seriously? We both know it's not true. Just leave it, you've sunk so low that now you're trying to prove things that didn't even happen man. I've PMed you in an attempt to get this out of the thread, you didn't PM me back, you replied here. The thread is no place for this. Come on.

-AC

Maybe you should leave this topic, AC. It seems you have no respect, as I stated before.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Why are you continuing this? Seriously? We both know it's not true. Just leave it, you've sunk so low that now you're trying to prove things that didn't even happen man. I've PMed you in an attempt to get this out of the thread, you didn't PM me back, you replied here. The thread is no place for this. Come on.

-AC

Originally posted by Cyber Ninja
You posted that comment FIRST in here and then when i replied to it(aready typing and sent it) you changed your post after. To lets do this in Pm after!!! . the qoute I qouted and the Pm you sent are slighly different. In the PM version you added an extra line in insults.

Has this actually come true yet? Just curious. I'm PMing you now, we'll deal with this there.

I think I'll stay, Mak. I'm comfortable now.

So, how about abortion?

-AC

Originally posted by soleran30
1 day before birth and the case stood? Maybe I should slow down and say in the USA has this piece been before a court in the USA and been thrown out due to a current definition of murder.

Its my understanding the law is a changing and growing monster so what today is right the same piece can be wrong tomorrow based upon the mora's and such of a growing soceity.

I refer to UK law. The cases have occurred, and the rules have been laid down in both ratio decidendi form, and as obiter dicta in similar cases.

haha thats what I thought................I do not believe the same to be said about the USA........I could be mistaken and was looking it up presently but to the best of my knowledge the same law wouldn't do so well in this country.

Not to mention I believe the abortion volume at that time in which I described in my previous post is what less then 5 percent probably less then that..................

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I think I'll stay, Mak. I'm comfortable now.

So, how about abortion?

-AC

You don't seem to be at all bothered by the number of abortions each year. I would have thought pro chouce people would be, even though they support it.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
No I said that most of what you say here sounds/reads like it comes from the dark ages, keep up.

Irrational posting? Someone who claims you shouldn't have sex if you don't want a baby is in no position to talk about logic or rationality.

-AC

Alright buddy, you seem half-way decent and intelligent.

Now that it has been a few minutes, and your past hastily trying to prove me wrong, lets look at what you said.

I said "You shouldn't have sex if you don't want a baby".

You say: that my post doesn't line up with logic or rationality.

Biology says: sexual intercorse results in the fertilization of female embryos by male sperm, causing a baby to develop to the point of birth.

Not every time, mind you... but often enough.

After all, what we are talking about is a pregnant couple (or woman).

They may choose to end the pregnancy(or not), but they still had a baby to deal with/make a decision about.

So me saying "dont' have sex if you don't plan on (take into account the possibility of) having a baby" is illogical how?

Of course it's logical that having sex will lead to pregnancy, and of course it's logical to say that you shouldn't have sex if you aren't prepared for it.

So there goes that.

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What is under discussion is the logic of preparing for/dealing with the pregnancy's impact on your life by having an abortion.

And if anything is from the dark ages, I would think it would be, "Well, I cant be bothered with this tripe, just kill it off."

Originally posted by Makedde
You don't seem to be at all bothered by the number of abortions each year. I would have thought pro chouce people would be, even though they support it.

You obviously don't know what pro-choice means, do you?

I'm pro-choice. As in, if you choose to have an abortion, that's absolutely fine with me. If you choose to have the kid, that's fine with me. If you choose to have adoption as your course of action, this is also fine with me.

I'm pro-choice, as in being for the woman's right to choose regardless of if I agree or not.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
You obviously don't know what pro-choice means, do you?

I'm pro-choice. As in, if you choose to have an abortion, that's absolutely fine with me. If you choose to have the kid, that's fine with me. If you choose to have adoption as your course of action, this is also fine with me.

I'm pro-choice, as in being for the woman's right to choose regardless of if I agree or not.

-AC

I know what pro choice is, many of the ones I know are bothered by the number of abortions, but support the womans right to choose. They don't say 'it's fine with me.

Originally posted by sithsaber408
I said "You shouldn't have sex if you don't want a baby".

Right, that would be when your credibility (in my opinion) went out of the window.

Originally posted by sithsaber408
You say: that my post doesn't line up with logic or rationality.

You're good at this.

Originally posted by sithsaber408
[B]Biology says: sexual intercorse results in the fertilization of female embryos by male sperm, causing a baby to develop to the point of birth.[/b]

Well done, that's sure what it says.

Originally posted by sithsaber408
Not every time, mind you... but often enough.

Haven't got all night...point? Stop beating about the post-marital bush and get to it, please.

Originally posted by sithsaber408
After all, what we are talking about is a pregnant couple (or woman).

Waiting...

Originally posted by sithsaber408
They may choose to end the pregnancy(or not), but they still had a baby to deal with/make a decision about.

Right, go on.

Originally posted by sithsaber408
So me saying "dont' have sex if you don't plan on (take into account the possibility of) having a baby" is illogical [B] how?

You accuse me of changing my stance and then change your original quote. You originally said, with no bracketed additions: "If you don't want a baby, do not have sex." That is illogical because people do have sex for pleasure, it's their right and it's up to them. Some people don't want kids, so by your rationale this means they should never have sex. Which is illogical and irrational. If you need it explained to you WHY it is, then I'm not sure anything I've said has sunk in.

Originally posted by sithsaber408
Of course it's logical that having sex will lead to pregnancy, and of course it's logical to say that you shouldn't have sex if you aren't prepared for it.

Having sex you should be prepared for unfortunate or unforseen outcomes, yes. That's not what you said is it? You originally said that you shouldn't have sex if you don't want a baby. Don't ever use the term "flip-flopper" on anyone again.

Originally posted by sithsaber408
So there goes that.

Indeed.

Originally posted by sithsaber408
What is under discussion is the logic of preparing for/dealing with the pregnancy's impact on your life by having an abortion.

Exactly. Your opinion is that is irresponsible and wrong, right? I agree it's irresponsible if you use it as birth control. You won't hear argument from me there. As VVD said though, that's not a problem with abortion, it's a problem with people.

Originally posted by sithsaber408
And if anything is from the dark ages, I would think it would be, "Well, I cant be bothered with this tripe, just kill it off."

It would also be what you said.

-AC

Originally posted by Makedde
I know what pro choice is, many of the ones I know are bothered by the number of abortions, but support the womans right to choose. They don't say 'it's fine with me.

You're making no sense. So...they are bothered by the amount of women who choose abortions....I get that, but then they support the woman's right to choose?

Exactly, that's selfless. That's the RIGHT path. "I don't agree, but it's her body and her choice". That is what pro-choice is.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
You're making no sense. So...they are bothered by the amount of women who choose abortions....I get that, but then they support the woman's right to choose?

Exactly, that's selfless. That's the RIGHT path. "I don't agree, but it's her body and her choice". That is what pro-choice is.

-AC

They can support it but still be bothered. You don't seem bothered at all.

Originally posted by Makedde
They can support it but still be bothered. You don't seem bothered at all.

Of course I'm not. Why the hell would I be?

A) I'm not pretentious enough to believe I have the right to be worried about some random human I've never met.

B) I've got my own life to lead and people I love to care about. I'm not bothered by what some random female or male RIGHTLY do with their own bodies.

You have no right to be making other people your responsibility and if you CHOOSE to, then realise that is exactly what it is. A choice. I'm not obligated to do the same.

-AC